Scion FT-86 FR-S

[Want.FR-S]

@Dragonitti: just out of curiosity, do you have the straight line performance spec of your tC when it was turbo'ed (when you were doing street racing)? I am merely looking for numbers like 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time at what speed. Sorry if I miss it if you have posted before. And maybe the output power (250 whp?) and the car weight as well.

Furthermore, if you have time attack times against other FWD/RWD in earlier events, would you mind post some links as well? I would like to see how your tC compares with other cars (stocks or modded). Based on what you describe, it seems that your tC has gained some advantages through mod's.

Thanks.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by nate89

Looks like you forgot your own argument...

Then in that case, we can take the value of a used tC $6-8k and that leaves you back at square one.

Aside from that, you still have not given me a car that is good enough in 100% stock form, that would cost only $10k above the cost of a new tC that would out perform my tC with that $10k added into it (even though it's only $7,555).

Originally Posted by nate89

It does make it a drivers race when there are two different drivers. You say you put 10 lengths on your own Z. I say maybe your wife sucks at racing

Yet another FAILED post by someone who doesn't pay attention. If you aren't going to watch the vids posted, don't comment about the race.

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

@Dragonitti: just out of curiosity, do you have the straight line performance spec of your tC when it was turbo'ed (when you were doing street racing)? I am merely looking for numbers like 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time at what speed. Sorry if I miss it if you have posted before. And maybe the output power (250 whp?) and the car weight as well.

Furthermore, if you have time attack times against other FWD/RWD in earlier events, would you mind post some links as well? I would like to see how your tC compares with other cars (stocks or modded). Based on what you describe, it seems that your tC has gained some advantages through mod's.

Thanks.

PM me.

[Dimman]

No point comparing new vs used for cars and/or parts. GRM magazine runs an annual competition for cars built for less than the dollar value of the current year (ie: $2010 Challenge this year, time not counted). The top cars (evaluate on the drag strip, autocross and a concours), all built for less than $2010, will whip the shit out of any of the cars I've seen/heard about of anyone on this forum.

I thought we are giving up on this anyways...

Stock Scion = Boring
Modded Scion (or any other modded car) = Not boring.

Dragonitti = Faithful and passionate

or Annoyingly stubborn and closed minded

(You be the judge.)

[Dragonitti]

Faithful, dedicated to motorsports and passionate....that about sums it up.

Can't be closed minded as I enjoy all cars, even ones badged as a Scion.

+1, though, thought we had come to a close on this as well, but people keep bumping it with non-intelligent comments about something they didn't even pay attention to.

[blur]

This thread is meh.

It's good that Scion is offering cheap cars with good power(after turbo), however it still urks me that they focus on sound systems, roomy interiors and soft ride before anything that actually helps the car around a track. If at all. I am aware they offer 6 speeds and the tc is relatively low weight for a coupe in this age, but a "base" car doesn't qualify as a sports car. It's the same thing as the turbo'd civics you've seen on youtube . . . yea after throwing loads of money into them they become quick. But that's not what they were designed to do. And that's what it seems like when noticing that theres such a small fan base for performance-oriented tc owners. This car isn't a sports car. It was never designed to be one.

FT86 on the other hand is (bear with me) a revival of the celica, in a way. With pure automotive performance in mind, as was the celica's intention. Light weight, RWD, balanced, LSD, turbo, etc. That doesn't sound like a Scion tc. It sounds like a celica/supra. I don't want the FT-86 to be stripped so everyone can have fun (a la tc), with soft suspension, nice stereo and an engine tuned for fuel economy. I'd rather have the beast together when I drive it off the lot. And retain the warranty as well.

This car just altogether fits in Toyota's lineup. 1. midrange pricing, 2. fills the need for a real coupe, 3. fills the need for the performance oriented car that toyota used to have. Scion is meant to offer creative, inspiring models that visually appeal to teens and are cost effective. Most teens aren't into performance(at least, not on the track).

I could keep going. But Im tired.

[mrtodd]

So, Dragonitti likes his modified Scion. Big deal! Why do people get offended over this? I for one, grew up with Hondas. The generations I've worked on have been excellent performance platforms for the price. I'm not saying they are the best, they're just fun to work on and you get a lot out of them. I've built a couple cars, several engines. I currently drive a '92 EH2. I personally built it's current engine, and rebuilt the tranny, complete with a lovely MFactory LSD. Although I don't have time or the money for Solo2 anymore, I still enjoy driving my car - but I am steadily getting tired of all the bitchass ricers that drive Hondas/Mazdas/Toyotas, always trying to race me on every stupid light. My car looks bone stock! Why would they try to race me? I don't care how big your ego is! Idiot ricers. This is why I'll be moving to something more refined for my next car.

Sigh. What was I talking about? Lol, oh yeah... How about we all forget the pointless arguments and just state our performance orientation?

Me: I love to modify my cars. I will never drive a car in completely stock form, no matter how 'performance-oriented', or the lack thereof, it is. This doesn't mean I plan to race each and every car I own; however, I simply like to make it as unique as I can make it (engine wise). I don't do this because I think I am better than anyone, I just like to make things my own. Also, I seem to have a frantic obsession with sleepers.

If someone else doesn't want to spend the time & money building their own custom performance mods, whether it's in an effort to keep the factory warranty or just to keep things clean and original, then that's awesome for them! At the same time, I know that I have nothing but respect for anyone who does their own REAL performance work, as long as it doesn't equate to rice.

That being said, good job on the tC, Dragonitti. I've never been a Scion guy, yet I've got nothing but respect for someone who pushes their car to the limit - both in terms of engineering, and *proper* racing (ie not on the street).

[Matador]

^ But that's not what this thread is about is it?

[mrtodd]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ But that's not what this thread is about is it?

Touche, good sir.



I think the argument for the ft86 not being a Scion seems to hold more water than the contrary. But it's still all just speculation. Perhaps Toyota has bigger plans for the Scion brand...? Is it possible that they (ie Toyota) plan a shift in orientation, from ricey stunner pimped out rides to real performance aspirations? Such could be one answer to why the ft86 could be branded as a Scion.

I guess time will tell.

[Matador]

^ The problem is that speed = money, and scions just don't have a transaction price for real speed, and not enough brand cachet for higher prices.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ The problem is that speed = money, and scions just don't have a transaction price for real speed, and not enough brand cachet for higher prices.

What is "transaction price for real speed"? And what is real speed? Is there a Fake speed that I'm not aware of? Are you saying because of it's retail price it isn't capable of being fast....I'm confused by this comment. More clarification please. Or are you saying that it takes to much money to make them fast?

[Matador]

You don't know what real speed is? Or are you just trying to be contentious? Of course it'd be relative, but there aren't any scions that have "real speed" stock. See Mitsubishi Evo, Impreza WRX/STi etc. etc. That is where it begins IMO.

Do you think your tC (when it was stock) was fast? lolgtfo.

Ever hear the saying that "Speed is expensive, how fast do you want to spend?" ? It rings true not only for modifications, but stock cars as well. Very few examples stand out, GT-R, C6 corvette, 2011 Mustang,Viper.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

You don't know what real speed is? Or are you just trying to be contentious? Of course it'd be relative, but there aren't any scions that have "real speed" stock. See Mitsubishi Evo, Impreza WRX/STi etc. etc. That is where it begins IMO.

There aren't any Scions that cost $30k stock either. I was asking what you thought "real" speed was. By the list of cars you named, your idea of "real" speed is slower than my idea.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Do you think your tC (when it was stock) was fast? lolgtfo.

Ever hear the saying that "Speed is expensive, how fast do you want to spend?" ? It rings true not only for modifications, but stock cars as well. Very few examples stand out, GT-R, C6 corvette, 2011 Mustang,Viper.

I'm not a ricer, of course I don't think a stock tC is fast. And I also don't think a Stock 350z, STI, Evo, WRX, S2k are fast either.

When it runs 11sec 1/4 mile stock or modded, then that's fast to me.

In terms of those other cars mentioned. The dollar amount you would have to spend on a tC to make it faster than those cars (in a straight line that is), is $3-3500. That's enough money for a decent 300whp/300wtq street car.

You didn't really elaborate on what you stated though. I asked if you could elaborate on that more, no need to start assuming things on what I think "real" speed is.

You act as if modding a car to be faster than what you consider "real" speed is somehow stupid or not worthy because it didn't come that way stock. Who cares man...fast is fast whether you bought a cheaper car and modded it, or you spent more $'s up front in the retail price for a stock car.

Originally Posted by mrtodd

That being said, good job on the tC, Dragonitti. I've never been a Scion guy, yet I've got nothing but respect for someone who pushes their car to the limit - both in terms of engineering, and *proper* racing (ie not on the street).

Thanks mrtodd. For sure, the track is where I take care of business.

[Matador]

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

see.. hes completly fucked in the head and filled with prejudice.. there is no reasoning with a brainwashed ricer fanboy.. scion tc is the new civic..