Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I really don't understand the hate...



I also don't see how less weight with more rearward weight distribution would make a 4cyl Supra somehow like a Camaro or Mustang...

They're both RWD 4cyl turbo performance cars?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

They're both RWD 4cyl turbo performance cars?

IMO cylinder count is not much of a measure of what a car is...

Supra is a dedicated 2-seat sports car, Mustang and Camaro are huge, heavy 2-door sedans.

4-cylinder Supra should be somewhat lighter-weight and have better weight distribution than the 6-cylinder, as far as I'm concerned that makes it *less* like a Mustang/Camaro...


Mainly I don't understand why people should actively NOT want a lighter/cheaper Supra available to those of us who don't want the extra weight.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

They're both RWD 4cyl turbo performance cars?

I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone compare an Ecoboost Mustang to a Cayman.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I thought the new Supra had an inline 6 with an iron block, I guess I'm mistaken though? I thought that was confirmed

BMW B58

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by krayzie

BMW B58

I thought the block itself was the M57?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone compare an Ecoboost Mustang to a Cayman.

I'm not, i'm saying the 4cyl Supra will compete with the mustang/camaro

Originally Posted by ZDan

IMO cylinder count is not much of a measure of what a car is...



Supra is a dedicated 2-seat sports car, Mustang and Camaro are huge, heavy 2-door sedans.



4-cylinder Supra should be somewhat lighter-weight and have better weight distribution than the 6-cylinder, as far as I'm concerned that makes it *less* like a Mustang/Camaro...





Mainly I don't understand why people should actively NOT want a lighter/cheaper Supra available to those of us who don't want the extra weight.

I agree with your points, but I'm pretty sure they will be cross-shopped.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I thought the block itself was the M57?

The M57 is a diesel motor introduced in 1998/1999.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I'm not, i'm saying the 4cyl Supra will compete with the mustang/camaro

Why would the Supra compete with the pony cars but not the Cayman? They all have turbo 4 engine options

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The M57 is a diesel motor introduced in 1998/1999.

I know, I saw this a couple months ago, but I guess it was never confirmed.

"it's solid iron, but I believe it's likely composed of CGI. What I don't know is specifically where the block came from; I was told it was an existing design that hinted at the M57, but my latest conversation almost sounded like the motor will still carry a B58 designation (different version number?)

As Guff said, one of Tada's closest friends made a FB post about the block being iron a few days back if anyone was still on the fence. This particular individual is privy to product planning/PR and engineering efforts and generally knows this information before anyone else outside of Tada's inner circle (even myself)."

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I thought the new Supra had an inline 6 with an iron block, I guess I'm mistaken though? I thought that was confirmed

It is an aluminum engine. They use a fusing system to line the cylinder walls with an iron composite to make them more durable and slippery. That does not reinforce the strength of the block itself. It just makes the cylinder walls harder.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I'm not, i'm saying the 4cyl Supra will compete with the mustang/camaro
...
I agree with your points, but I'm pretty sure they will be cross-shopped.

FT86 competes with 4-cylinder Camaro/Mustang on price.
4-cylinder Supra should compete with Camaro SS 1LE /Mustang Bullitt on price. I hope...
6-cylinder Supra will compete with Camaro ZL1/Mustang GT350(R)/GT500 on price.

At any level, there's a Camaro/Mustang for the Supra to compete with.

[WolfpackS2k]

I see the appeal of lighter weight and better weight distribution from a 4 cylinder option, but most 2.0 liter turbo 4 cylinder engines are boring as hell. Everyone has one; oh how special!

Additionally, the 2.0T engines that BMW builds all sound like diesel engines at idle & low speed. That is, to say, awful.

[bcj]

Sniff Petrol seems to have the definitives

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I really don't understand the hate...

I also don't see how less weight with more rearward weight distribution would make a 4cyl Supra somehow like a Camaro or Mustang...

personally im not hating on the idea. but imo they should have called the 4 banger version a Celica.

yes an apples to oranges comparison. think what people are trying to say is that there has to be a cheaper base model to sell to mass and help cover some of the R&D for the higher trim models.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by ZDan

IMO cylinder count is not much of a measure of what a car is...

Supra is a dedicated 2-seat sports car, Mustang and Camaro are huge, heavy 2-door sedans.

4-cylinder Supra should be somewhat lighter-weight and have better weight distribution than the 6-cylinder, as far as I'm concerned that makes it *less* like a Mustang/Camaro...


Mainly I don't understand why people should actively NOT want a lighter/cheaper Supra available to those of us who don't want the extra weight.

The lower power is a big deficit to overcome for many.


It will be interesting to see how they compare, but it wouldn't be surprising to see the supra and Camaro be very alike numbers wise. If you get the upgraded Camaro packages I'd almost say it would outperform the 4 cylinder supra. Who knows, we will probably see shortly after release.


3300 lbs and 275 hp / 295 lb ft.... the Camaro turbo 4 is likely to be easier to make power with too.