2016 Honda Civic Thread (10th gen)

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Not saying you're wrong, but where/when did Honda state that? Not only does that sound a bit suspect, it also sounds pretty stupid for Honda to dump so much R&D money into a Civic model that is more exclusive than a new NSX. Seems unlikely.

If Honda is still the engineering focused company it once was, I wouldn't be surprised as it could be purely an engineering exercise for them to flex their know-how.

Besides, Civic to Honda is like the Golf to VW. It's their most important bread and butter so they need a lot of resources to make sure its halo model is done right.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Who is saying the SS has reliability problems? That chassis has been around for a while, and the LS engine is bulletproof.

Panameras are boats. You don't want one.

Have a co-worker who owned one (SS) that was a nightmare (iirc mostly electrical, but it affected the powertrain, he was stranded in limp mode a few times), and if I recall consumer reports wasn't kind to it last I looked, I know it's bunk, but it's not totally invalid data.

Guess I'll have to drive a Panamera and see for myself, we're talking about 4-door practical cars here, I'd be willing to take on a few extra hundred pounds for everything else to be pitch perfect. But, I momentarily forgot about the Giulia, if they have decent reliability and depreciation continues to eat Italian cars alive it might be perfect.

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

Small correction, but the Type-R is coming with e-Helical LSD and not brake based vectoring.

Just because it has an LSD doesn't mean it won't use brake based torque vectoring. I can't recall where I read that it would be in the new one, and it's not in any of the press releases so hopefully I'm wrong. But keeping the same branding on their traction control as well as calling it "e-Helical", I wouldn't bet that it's not in there.

The 2015 definitely had that combo, Honda calls it 'Agile Handling Assist':
http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/cars/media...a-civic-type-r

Here's Car and Driver testing the 2015 Type-R and they mention it:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

[DarkSunrise]

The appeal of the Civic Type R is simple IMO. It's a practical hatch you can use everyday that can do a sub-8 minute Nurburgring lap. It won't ever be a high volume seller, but those that buy it over a much cheaper used Golf R, Focus RS or STI hatch will do it for the laptime bragging rights and Honda scene points. And then they'll use it for daily commuting and a few street pulls. It is what it is.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

will do it for the laptime bragging rights and Honda scene points. And then they'll use it for daily commuting and a few street pulls. It is what it is.

Just like how there are tens of thousands of 86's that will never break traction but have owners talk about their 'drift car' and 'clarksons car of the year'

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Just like how there are tens of thousands of 86's that will never break traction but have owners talk about their 'drift car' and 'clarksons car of the year'

Ha all this time I thought we were buying these cars because they look like "Fehraris". Besides everyone knows these underpowered lumps can't get the rear end to come around, who are you trying to fool with that talk lol

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

The point is to have a brand new car, with a warranty, that punches well above its price point, while still being a very practical daily car. There's no doubt that these cars will be extremely fast on tracks. There's also no doubt that many of the setups you listed above are better pure sports cars.

At the end of the day, there will be a handful of people for who these cars truly make sense, hence the tiny production numbers.

If it's a tiny production run it'll be because it's A) too expensive, B) looks ridiculous C) is unbalanced or possibly D) all of the above.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Besides everyone knows these underpowered lumps can't get the rear end to come around, who are you trying to fool with that talk lol

Especially if you put big sticky tires on it, I must be hiding a turbo in mine.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

If it's a tiny production run it'll be because it's A) too expensive, B) looks ridiculous C) is unbalanced or possibly D) all of the above.

This is what I get hung up on. The exterior of the car is way too gaudy, especially for a Civic.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Just because it has an LSD doesn't mean it won't use brake based torque vectoring. I can't recall where I read that it would be in the new one, and it's not in any of the press releases so hopefully I'm wrong. But keeping the same branding on their traction control as well as calling it "e-Helical", I wouldn't bet that it's not in there.

The 2015 definitely had that combo, Honda calls it 'Agile Handling Assist':
http://hondanews.eu/eu/en/cars/media...a-civic-type-r

Here's Car and Driver testing the 2015 Type-R and they mention it:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

My understanding was the 10th generation was going to use a system similar to VW's VAQ differential (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-e...xplained/30560). If it's brake-based vectoring, oh well. I am sure it will still be fun to drive.

[WolfpackS2k]

I don't give Honda much credit these days, but I highly doubt it is a brake based vectoring system. Systems like that work "okay" on the street but utterly fall apart under track conditions. The Type R is always (in the past at least) designed for track use so it would be pretty lazy/dumb on their part to give the new CTR a brake based system.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I don't give Honda much credit these days, but I highly doubt it is a brake based vectoring system. Systems like that work "okay" on the street but utterly fall apart under track conditions. The Type R is always (in the past at least) designed for track use so it would be pretty lazy/dumb on their part to give the new CTR a brake based system.

My wife's new Impreza has brake torque vectoring and although it is absolutely wonderful on the street (especially some nice back roads but don't tell her that) I can see it heating the front brakes up in a hurry on the track. Be better than nothing but certainly not the best method.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

This is what I get hung up on. The exterior of the car is way too gaudy, especially for a Civic.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I don't give Honda much credit these days, ....

I used to love Hondas, and my Father-In-Law sold them until he recently retired, but I haven't seen a Honda in 15 years I would buy for myself. It's not so much the exterior or even the performance, I just find them stiff, sterile and uncomfortable on the interior (I spend average 3 hours a day in my car so that matters to me).

[vh_supra26]

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Honda has finally revealed the new Civic SI in both Sedan and Coupe bodystyles, giving us the full details of their new 205hp sporty version.

The first turbocharged Si model is positioned right underneath the upcoming Type R, aiming according to Honda to the everyday enthusiast.

Power comes from a turbocharged 1.5-litre petrol unit with direct injection and dual variable cam timing, producing 205hp and 192lb-ft of peak torque. A short-throw six-speed manual transmission is standard.

Given the turbocharged nature of the powertrain, Honda says that the new Civic Si now provides a very exciting driving experience, with more low-end grunt and lots of torque available almost everywhere, with peak torque now sustained in over 70 percent of the rev range.

The new Civic Si is also lighter than its predecessor and features a more rigid chassis which is also upgraded from lesser models to better exploit the performance on offer. These upgrades include an adaptive electric power steering system, sport suspension with adaptive dampers, a limited-slip differential, 12.3-inch front brake rotors and a set of 235/40 R18 tires, with Honda also to offer a stickier tire as an option.

The sport suspension also features stiffer spring rates and more rigid stabilizer bars (+30 percent front, +60 percent rear), solid front and rear bushings and the upper control arms directly from the Type R version. There are two driving modes to choose: Normal and Sport, with the latter adjusting the suspension, throttle response and steering wheel for a more direct and sporty feel.

On the outside, the new Honda Civic Si is getting a black front fascia with larger side air intakes, 18-inch 10-spoke alloy wheels, a model-specific two-tone paint finish and a chrome polygonal exhaust tip mounted in the center of the bumper. The Si Sedan gets a more subtle rear spoiler than incorporates the LED brake light while the Si Coupe retains its characteristic full-width light bar and adds a raised spoiler into the mix.

The cabin now features Si-exclusive sports seats with red stitching, which is carried through the door panels, steering wheel and that leather shift boot with the always awesome aluminum shift knob.

There is also plenty of kit on-board as the new Civic Si builds off the EX-T Civic Sedan and EX-T Civic Coupe trim levels and includes features like dual-zone automatic climate control, heated front seats and rain-sensing wipers. There’s also a 7-inch infotainment system with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto while all Si models come with a 450-watt, 10-speaker AM/FM/CD sound system with SiriusXM Radio, HD Radio and Pandora.

The new Honda Civic Si Sedan and Coupe will go on sale next month with an MSRP in the mid-$20,000 range.