200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[cyde01]

1100 kg would be awesome but that really sounds like wishful thinking. i mean they can't use a lot of aluminum or CF in a car that's supposed to be low to mid $20k

[Allch Chcar]

Only a rumor at this point, that article didn't quote anything for it's source other than an unnamed insider which none of us are.

Needless to say if the final car is almost 2400lbs that would make it have just a bit more than a 12lb per HP ratio. Which was also one of their stated goals. If it's going to cost $25k despite being this small with as much BHP as we're hearing then maybe they did use an expensive light weight structure... I suppose it's possible.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by cyde01

1100 kg would be awesome but that really sounds like wishful thinking. i mean they can't use a lot of aluminum or CF in a car that's supposed to be low to mid $20k

Maybe from my GT5-based prediction! +10% weight, -10% power.

If only it were true...

[OldSkoolToys]

1100kg?..........

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I never read this.....hope's can't get up....if I never read it.


Hey, whats going on in here guys?

[NESW20]

haha, nicely done.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

1100kg?..........

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I never read this.....hope's can't get up....if I never read it.


Hey, whats going on in here guys?

Originally Posted by Autocar.co.uk

Toyota FT-86 - under the skin
Thursday, April 14, 2011

The latest Toyota FT-86 concept at last month’s Geneva show is “95 per cent” the production car, according to insiders, accurate in its surfacing, although its 20-inch wheels won’t make production.
The FT has a monocoque structure, carefully engineered with high-strength steels to keep weight low. It is similar in length to an Auris at 4235mm and sits on a generous wheelbase of 2570mm, but it’s only 1270mm high – one good reason for its low centre of gravity.
Toyota is coy about the FT’s kerb weight, but if it truly undercuts the Scirocco by 200kg, it must weigh little more than 1100kg ready to roll – a very impressive figure that rivals will want to investigate.
See Autocar's exclusive studio pics of the Toyota FT-86 II
The engine is basically a 2.0-litre, 16-valve flat four from the Subaru stable but with special modifications to suit this new application. Driving through a six-speed manual gearbox (or a six-speed paddle-shift auto in some markets), the unusual powertrain concentrates its masses considerably lower than an ordinary in-line layout would do, and further back in the car. A standard limited-slip differential further aids traction.
Toyota engineers say the engine produces around 200bhp, but final power, torque and fuel figures are still being derived because this Subaru-sourced engine uses a Toyota direct fuel injection system with Toyota’s own engine management.
What’s more, Toyota’s engine partner, Yamaha, has been involved in its cylinder head design. Although the car will have a sporty character, Toyota chief Akio Toyoda has decreed that this should be a docile, easy-driving engine that should live up to his company’s jealously guarded reputation for fuel efficiency and low CO2 outputs.
Read the full story on the Toyota FT-86
The base model should have 0-60mph acceleration of around seven seconds and a top speed of 140mph, but there has been talk that Toyota might offer lower final drive ratios for sporty applications, and the rumour mill is already abuzz with tales of ‘kitted’ cars with more like 270bhp on tap. Maybe even turbocharged, bewinged versions for big-time racing. Such things would certainly feed the enthusiasms of Toyoda, surely the first Japanese car company chief in history to have raced at the Nürburgring.
The original concept car’s interior, complete with zip-in trim sections, is unlikely to be repeated in production, but designers say the sense of their design – a pared-down treatment that concentrates on the driving essentials for driving and dispenses with distractions – is sure to stay.
On a practical theme, there will be occasional seats in the rear, capable of carrying children or adults over short distances. Special emphasis is being placed on the driver’s seat – both its shape and its relationship with the instruments and controls. Toyoda believes great driving starts with a comfortable seating position.
Steve Cropley blog: What's the FT-86 like to drive?
On paper, the suspension of the FT-86 is nothing special: MacPherson struts up front and a coil-sprung multi-link system at the rear, with anti-roll bars at both ends. The brakes are conventional four-wheel discs, the standard wheels are understood to be 18-inch and the power steering is all-electric.
However, Toyota bosses have decreed that suspension parts, especially dampers, should be more sophisticated, more expensive components than are usually used in cars at this volume and price, and the company’s European ride and handling team is well into an exhaustive six-month suspension tuning programme; its mission is to devise a set-up to suit world markets. The company has come around to believing that if such an approach can work for BMW, it can work for Toyota, too.
Much detailed work has already been done on spring/damper tuning, and although the car has yet to be signed off, prototypes have been driven by Toyoda, and the car is close to hitting its targets.
In particular, the car will adopt a European philosophy for its chassis stability system, which includes a Sport setting to allow the driver to slide the car within limits, without intervention.
Development should be done just beyond mid-year, around six months before manufacturing preparations begin.

[OldSkoolToys]

Yeah, the thing about that article....is its about the model coming out in the U.K......

Some confirmation that the lolScion is going to be exactly like the car in other markets would ease my mind greatly. I mean, too many times in the past have we American's been cut out on the cool and exciting engines in lieu of more tame and boring ones.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Yeah, the thing about that article....is its about the model coming out in the U.K......

Some confirmation that the lolScion is going to be exactly like the car in other markets would ease my mind greatly. I mean, too many times in the past have we American's been cut out on the cool and exciting engines in lieu of more tame and boring ones.

I've been harping for long time that w/e the engine at least make it global. No US only .

[enc0re]

If they manage 2400lbs it would be well worth $25K.

[Mr.Jay]

woah thats lower than the 2700 I was expecting

I would throw my money away for that weight tho I do fear the hush hush engine details

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

woah thats lower than the 2700 I was expecting

I would throw my money away for that weight tho I do fear the hush hush engine details

That might be for Japan or UK... but safety nazi US, I think gonna weight more.

[Archer256]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

That might be for Japan or UK... but safety nazi US, I think gonna weight more.

if that isn't with US safety standards then maybe we'll get lucky and hit 2700 in the U.S. =/

[xantonin]

Does the US really add that much more safety equipment?

Could anyone give me some examples of what contributes to this large weight gain?

[OldSkoolToys]

I don't know about modern cars. On the AE86 both doors where heavily reinforced with steel to add safety in side impact, plus the windshield is completely different from the Japanese version, and heavier. Our bumpers are like park benches compared to the Japanese version (and heeavvviier). There are probably a bunch of other little things all over the car that were changed slightly for U.S. standards.

Its mostly just added reinforced steel in high impact areas, and the bumpers.