FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Dark

Wait, they are using Mitsubishi's? Ok, now I see why they can do 270hp at 15psi.

same basic block design is hared between Hyundai, Mitsubishi and Chrysler. Refer to Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance for that.

But the Evo X block 4B11T is very close to the GDI in the GC

Has pricing on the new GC been reported yet?

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

same basic block design is hared between Hyundai, Mitsubishi and Chrysler. Refer to Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance for that.

But the Evo X block 4B11T is very close to the GDI in the GC

Has pricing on the new GC been reported yet?

2.0T is around 23K-24K. Nothing official, just some magazine numbers.

[Godzilla35]

In for the chat. The gencoupe forum is super disorganized and I've been piecing together most of the stuff off of the brochure that's been posted recently on KoreanCarBlog...

I just want to know what the pricing on the r-spec / track is going to be w/what options. And same for the FRS/BRZ. Power-to-weight ratios are pretty equal aren't they?

This might sound stupid, but I can't really "picture" the sensation of driving two different cars with the equivalent power/weight of another car, with one being heavy but massive power and one being super light but not really powerful. For example, my G35 coupe has bolt-ons and is automatic so I'm guessing i'm lucky if I have high 200s, maybe low 300s, to the wheels, but it's really heavy. Will the FR-S feel "faster" because it's lighter, or will the "lack" of power override that? Does that make sense?

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by Godzilla35

In for the chat. The gencoupe forum is super disorganized and I've been piecing together most of the stuff off of the brochure that's been posted recently on KoreanCarBlog...

I just want to know what the pricing on the r-spec / track is going to be w/what options. And same for the FRS/BRZ. Power-to-weight ratios are pretty equal aren't they?

This might sound stupid, but I can't really "picture" the sensation of driving two different cars with the equivalent power/weight of another car, with one being heavy but massive power and one being super light but not really powerful. For example, my G35 coupe has bolt-ons and is automatic so I'm guessing i'm lucky if I have high 200s, maybe low 300s, to the wheels, but it's really heavy. Will the FR-S feel "faster" because it's lighter, or will the "lack" of power override that? Does that make sense?

I would say that in a straight line the more power the faster you would be no matter the power to weight ratio. The weight comes into play in the corners. Less power + Less weight = less stress on the tires = more laps with more grip = more fun. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. Having owned 4 miatas I fully understand that concept. In the end it all depends on what you want in the car and what you decide to do with it.


There is a video around of a Miata frustrating a Viper on a small track.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Mouse

I would say that in a straight line the more power the faster you would be no matter the power to weight ratio. The weight comes into play in the corners. Less power + Less weight = less stress on the tires = more laps with more grip = more fun. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow. Having owned 4 miatas I fully understand that concept. In the end it all depends on what you want in the car and what you decide to do with it.


There is a video around of a Miata frustrating a Viper on a small track.

+1

You're not going to feel the weight in a straight line since all the forces your body feels are going to be in a single vector (the forward acceleration). Once you start adding other horizontal forces from the centripital force associated with turning you'll start to feel a difference.

[Godzilla35]

that makes sense... but I guess it's gotta be driven to really feel if it his the "spot" of what I want...

thanks MOUSE

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by Godzilla35

Will the FR-S feel "faster" because it's lighter, or will the "lack" of power override that? Does that make sense?

IMHO, power for power turbocharged cars always feel faster in out right acceleration simply because of the way the power comes in. It's like casual cruising, you mash the accelerator and then WHOA there it is. With an NA car of equal power the power is always there so you don't have a chance to really notice the surge like you do with a t/c.

:happy0180:

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by spin9k

Seeing these pics of the updated GC, it's obvious that relieving it of the previous awful drooping looking front end has made a vast improvement and given the car a welcome aggressive stance.

Your in the minority... nearly 80% of the people on Gencoupe forum voted that they dislike the new front end. I think it's one of the worst redesigns I've ever seen. The fake plastic hood scoops are embarrassing! The new tail lights are beautiful though and I like most of the interior redesign. Hopefully they use higher grade leather and a better transmission for 2013.

The 2013 front bumper SCREAMS Elantra+Mazda 3 and that is NOT a good thing.

I've driven 5 GCs, all three model years. The 2010 is a shit-box: Overall reliability is bad and the first years Manual transmissions were plagued with 4th and 5th gear grinds. The sunroof had issues and I noticed a lot of squeaks and rattles. The front door speakers in particular. I couldn't believe how much better the M6 in the 2011 felt, I thought I was driving a different car! The 2012 was also very solid with fewer quality control issue "noises".

The 2013 should be a a substantial improvement, Hyundai does listen to customer feedback. They put the engine we want in the 2.0T and fixed interior issues like the seatbelt holder. I just wish they put the Vega bumper on the 2013 with the new headlights and didn't include cheesy fake hood scoops. It screams low rent!

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

Okay then the G37 and the 370Z.

G37 = high 13s - $38k - 4 seats
370Z = low 13s - $32k - 2 seats
GC 3.8 = mid 13s - $27k - 4 seats (no telling what the 2013 model will offer)

Nothing about those numbers makes me feel like the GC is blown away by either the G37 or 370Z. The 370Z is a little faster (as compared to the 2012 GC), but it's $5k more and doesn't have rear seats.

I highly admire Hyundai for pushing the GC like they have. They are stepping it up a notch, and I think that rocks. They are going after what many people want, at a good price. Things like "handling characteristics" and looks are up to the individual buyer. But if it's cheaper, it's cheaper, if it's faster, it's faster.

It is what it is

Instead of us all waiting and looking towards Toyota to "bring back a sports car" - look at what Hyundai is doing, they're creating a legacy of their own and it's happening right in front of us.

Even if I tried, I could not dislike the GC. I just can't. It offers too much bang for the buck, and the new one looks like it's going to be even better.

NOT putting the FR-S out, we just don't know enough about it yet - if it's a good deal, it's a good deal - To me, the GC is a great deal.

Don't bother man, Dragonitti has a hate on for the GC. His argument that the G37 is vastly superior is laughable. I've actually driven the 3.8GT and G37 back to back and they felt almost identical. Both have below average manual transmissions. Both have below average leather quality. Both are overweight. The GC has a little better steering feedback but both are poor. Both accelerate quickly while simultaneously sending me to sleep. My NA Miata is 10 times more fun to drive and it has less than half the horse power and its WAY slower.

I actually have the opportunity to buy a 20000 mile 2009 G37 for $25000 right now and I just can't do it. There is nothing exceptional about that car and it's not as pretty as the G35 was.

Note: I hated my G35 too.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by pastuch

Don't bother man, Dragonitti has a hate on for the GC. His argument that the G37 is vastly superior is laughable. I've actually driven the 3.8GT and G37 back to back and they felt almost identical. Both have below average manual transmissions. Both have below average leather quality. Both are overweight. The GC has a little better steering feedback but both are poor. Both accelerate quickly while simultaneously sending me to sleep. My NA Miata is 10 times more fun to drive and it has less than half the horse power and its WAY slower.

I actually have the opportunity to buy a 20000 mile 2009 G37 for $25000 right now and I just can't do it. There is nothing exceptional about that car and it's not as pretty as the G35 was.

Note: I hated my G35 too.

What are you talking about? Hate for GC....really? If there was any car that I could say I could hate, it would have the word HONDA somewhere in it's naming convention. I don't hate the GC seriously. That doesn't stop me from thinking it's a poor performer though for what it is, or what it was supposeto/should be.

My argument for G37 is laughable? Really....Pretty sure it's the 3.8 GC that gets compared to the 370z, Mustang GT, G37 class cars. And last time I checked, it didn't beat either of them in road test. Hope you didn't think I was comoparing the 2.0T to the G37.


How could I hate the GC, when at one point I was going to buy one.

[Mr.Jay]

I would like to see a GC vs G37 and a 370z on the track cause 1/4 times mean nothing to me

The Mustang GT is easily the best bang for buck out there right now with the Boss 302 being the best IMO performing car per cost.

The GC is not a bad car but its just too much weight/power (was not soo anymore) and a bad transmission killed it for me. I'll prob give the new one a test drive but I can't live with that new face at all

The GC will be a great car (with a ugly face) once they put that 5.0 in the engine bay

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by pastuch

Your in the minority... nearly 80% of the people on Gencoupe forum voted that they dislike the new front end. I think it's one of the worst redesigns I've ever seen. The fake plastic hood scoops are embarrassing! The new tail lights are beautiful though and I like most of the interior redesign. Hopefully they use higher grade leather and a better transmission for 2013.

The 2013 front bumper SCREAMS Elantra+Mazda 3 and that is NOT a good thing.

I've driven 5 GCs, all three model years. The 2010 is a shit-box: Overall reliability is bad and the first years Manual transmissions were plagued with 4th and 5th gear grinds. The sunroof had issues and I noticed a lot of squeaks and rattles. The front door speakers in particular. I couldn't believe how much better the M6 in the 2011 felt, I thought I was driving a different car! The 2012 was also very solid with fewer quality control issue "noises".

The 2013 should be a a substantial improvement, Hyundai does listen to customer feedback. They put the engine we want in the 2.0T and fixed interior issues like the seatbelt holder. I just wish they put the Vega bumper on the 2013 with the new headlights and didn't include cheesy fake hood scoops. It screams low rent!

I agree that the 2013 will be a continuation of improvement for the GC. I think both the new turbo and v6 will again feel like totally different/better cars.

However, as far as the polls go that you mentioned on gencoupe.com go. That poll was posted early on when the first crappy quality cell phone camera images were posted. They closed the poll months before the first official pictures were even released. If you browse through the "what do you think of the new 2013 GC" thread. You'll see MANY people who really like the new facelift now. In fact, more who do than don't. Both from people who haven't owned one, and those who do. Several people have addressed that issue and I think that when a new poll is open, we will see very different results.



I mean... that car is just sharp. I feel that this car screams its own presence, I can't relate it anymore to a Mazda than I can an Aston martin.

[ryun84]

New car model is unveiled.

Old model owners and general public QQ/complain.

Some time later, new model starts to grow on people.

Public sentiment changes.

Old model owners trade in for new model.

Everyone happy.

Newer model is revealed.

Repeat process.

[spin9k]

Originally Posted by pastuch

Your in the minority...

That's not surprising... sometimes I wonder if I even belong to the human race

As far as the hood decorations, yea that is sad.. don't they even have little holes under there? But to me, minority opinion or not, the biggest sore look on the previous car was the front IMHO, and although the new is not 100% to me, it makes the car SOOOOO much more aggressive to me, hence more attractive. After all it's not a mouse, nor an Elantra, it's supposed to be a sports car.

Although it may be screaming Elantra+Mazda 3 to you ... not surprisingly that never crossed my mind... I really don't see that. And I've never owned a Hyundai, nor actually driven one, but all cars, esp. new models, typically have a host of problems needing fixing in the next refresh.