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C4RBON · 10-24-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyandriel

...And the most/nearly all dynos you see on shows or meetings or at the tuner store around the corner are the inertia ones. They´re good enough to test a difference before and after tuning a car at a reasonable pricetag. And to have some nice numbers to show your friends.
That´s also why you often find big differences between the measurements of a car from 3 different dynos.

^Agreed

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It wouldn't be so bad, but it is so f.-ing boring.

Just sayin'.

Yeah there really isn't too much happening right now. Halloween is right around the corner, and then Thanksgiving...

Marrk · 10-24-2011, 08:26 PM

^^I don't particularly object to OT discussions. Have at it, gentlemen. :happy0180:

Dave-ROR · 10-24-2011, 08:27 PM

Until the car is released all topics will venture OT. There's only so much one can discuss about cars that aren't out yet.. heck cars whose details haven't even been annouced yet

madfast · 10-24-2011, 08:30 PM

So i just noticed the regular Veloster's curb weight is 2584. I have a lot of faith that the FT will come close to that. exterior dimensions are very similar between the two. the veloster has a bunch of standard features like a 7" touchscreen, etc. and it still manages to come in under 2600 lbs. before i was conservative with the curb weight, i expected the FT to be under 2700. but now, we have a direct comparison with the veloster. if the veloster can make it under 2600, i fully expect the FT to be well under 2600 closer to 2500. perhaps the 1150 kg curb weight isnt so far fetched after all...

oh and FWD vs RWD shouldnt really be much of a factor in this case because imo the veloster's hatch, rear glass, and interior features more than make up the extra weight a driveshaft, LSD, etc would add to a RWD car...

Marrk · 10-24-2011, 08:38 PM

@madfast: At least one article I read (maybe in _Car_) said that a Type R, or a Type S, or a lightweight version was already in the cards. So, when Toyota says sub-2600 and C & D says "under 3,000" (or whatever), maybe they are both "right."

SUB-FT86 · 10-24-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Until the car is released all topics will venture OT. There's only so much one can discuss about cars that aren't out yet.. heck cars whose details haven't even been annouced yet

C4RBON · 10-24-2011, 08:56 PM

One thing about Subaru saying "we did all the work" blah blah blah, is that if the car flops for whatever reason, Toyota can be like "don't look at us, it was all Subaru!"

SUB-FT86 · 10-24-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by C4RBON

One thing about Subaru saying "we did all the work" blah blah blah, is that if the car flops for whatever reason, Toyota can be like "don't look at us, it was all Subaru!"

dilly-o · 10-24-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Until the car is released all topics will venture OT. There's only so much one can discuss about cars that aren't out yet.. heck cars whose details haven't even been annouced yet

this very discussion about being off topic is itself off topic...and so is this comment.

Matador · 10-24-2011, 10:09 PM

Giccin · 10-25-2011, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

This reminds me of your Stance thread. It didn't even last 2 posts.

Kostamojen · 10-27-2011, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I'm here for a car that drives like a descendant of a classic Toyota sports icon, not a diff locked Impreza

I'm here for the diff locked Impreza.

Kostamojen · 10-27-2011, 06:09 AM

Oh, and as for the price/weight, I'll say this...

If he test drove the auto, that is 100lbs on the manual car right there. Add another 50lbs for up-level model wheels/accessories/etc. (Power seats = weight, foglights = weight, more speakers/better stereo = weight, etc.) and thats 150lbs. I've been through all the factory service manuals for Subaru's over the years (yes, ALL of them) and made a list of all the curb weights for all the models and such over the years, its not abnormal to see 100-200lbs differences in models just due to accessories.

I still think as most of the folks here do that the car will weigh in the 2600lbs range. IF there is a de-contented version (which I hope there will be... Type-RA version anyone???) then it could shed more weight with smaller wheels, no stereo (2004 STI did that here in the states), no spare, no rear seats, etc. it will for sure be 2600lbs or less.

As for the price... $28-30k FULLY LOADED I do expect, but hopefully that includes huge brakes, upgraded suspension, NAV, etc. But if the base model for the Scion isn't close to $20k and for the Subaru close to 22-22k, then I will be upset.

This is after all basically a parts-bin sports car, and if they CAN'T offer one for close to $20k and it stays around $25k, I hope in the future they consider an even less powerful non-DI model with even less content... I have zero interest in a fully loaded $30k Sports car.

70NYD · 10-27-2011, 07:24 AM

Wow I like your speech there except for the parts bin part.. Which MAJOR part of this car is from something else? The way I see it alot of parts from this car will go towards others, but this is by no means a parts bin car...

10-24-2011, 08:27 PM	#325
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Until the car is released all topics will venture OT. There's only so much one can discuss about cars that aren't out yet.. heck cars whose details haven't even been annouced yet __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

10-24-2011, 08:30 PM	#326
madfast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: 2010 Evo X MR-T Location: NY Posts: 942 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So i just noticed the regular Veloster's curb weight is 2584. I have a lot of faith that the FT will come close to that. exterior dimensions are very similar between the two. the veloster has a bunch of standard features like a 7" touchscreen, etc. and it still manages to come in under 2600 lbs. before i was conservative with the curb weight, i expected the FT to be under 2700. but now, we have a direct comparison with the veloster. if the veloster can make it under 2600, i fully expect the FT to be well under 2600 closer to 2500. perhaps the 1150 kg curb weight isnt so far fetched after all... oh and FWD vs RWD shouldnt really be much of a factor in this case because imo the veloster's hatch, rear glass, and interior features more than make up the extra weight a driveshaft, LSD, etc would add to a RWD car... Last edited by madfast; 10-24-2011 at 08:44 PM.

10-27-2011, 07:24 AM	#336
70NYD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Drives: RX8 S1 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 49 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wow I like your speech there except for the parts bin part.. Which MAJOR part of this car is from something else? The way I see it alot of parts from this car will go towards others, but this is by no means a parts bin car... __________________

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10-24-2011, 08:26 PM	#324
Marrk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: Honda Fit Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 722 Thanked 125 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^^I don't particularly object to OT discussions. Have at it, gentlemen. :happy0180:

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Marrk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: Honda Fit Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 722 Thanked 125 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	@madfast: At least one article I read (maybe in _Car_) said that a Type R, or a Type S, or a lightweight version was already in the cards. So, when Toyota says sub-2600 and C & D says "under 3,000" (or whatever), maybe they are both "right."

10-24-2011, 08:56 PM	#329
C4RBON Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: '15 BRZ, '19 GTI Location: USA/Iowa Posts: 204 Thanks: 79 Thanked 163 Times in 79 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	One thing about Subaru saying "we did all the work" blah blah blah, is that if the car flops for whatever reason, Toyota can be like "don't look at us, it was all Subaru!"

10-27-2011, 06:09 AM	#335
Kostamojen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: 1993 Impreza w/ WRX Swap + FWD! Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 2,071 Thanks: 217 Thanked 952 Times in 500 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Oh, and as for the price/weight, I'll say this... If he test drove the auto, that is 100lbs on the manual car right there. Add another 50lbs for up-level model wheels/accessories/etc. (Power seats = weight, foglights = weight, more speakers/better stereo = weight, etc.) and thats 150lbs. I've been through all the factory service manuals for Subaru's over the years (yes, ALL of them) and made a list of all the curb weights for all the models and such over the years, its not abnormal to see 100-200lbs differences in models just due to accessories. I still think as most of the folks here do that the car will weigh in the 2600lbs range. IF there is a de-contented version (which I hope there will be... Type-RA version anyone???) then it could shed more weight with smaller wheels, no stereo (2004 STI did that here in the states), no spare, no rear seats, etc. it will for sure be 2600lbs or less. As for the price... $28-30k FULLY LOADED I do expect, but hopefully that includes huge brakes, upgraded suspension, NAV, etc. But if the base model for the Scion isn't close to $20k and for the Subaru close to 22-22k, then I will be upset. This is after all basically a parts-bin sports car, and if they CAN'T offer one for close to $20k and it stays around $25k, I hope in the future they consider an even less powerful non-DI model with even less content... I have zero interest in a fully loaded $30k Sports car.

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