Edelbrock E-force Owner's thread and FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)

[Porcupint]

Originally Posted by GsxrMe

This kit looks so clean and factory, Subaru should really 1 up Toyota and re-release the STI BRZ with this preinstalled. I'm sure Subaru has enough profits to make this doable for $33k.

I mean don't get me wrong its not an awesome HP numbers; but it's damn high enough to make the car not feel like a fat big pushing a pine cone out of its ___ hole.

+1 Edelbrock

250ish whp and a table top torque curve in a car that's less than 3k lbs. Sure on paper it's nothing compared to a lot of other cars. But in practice I'd bet that thing will scoot.

[sumgai]

Best lurker checking in, I'm very interested in this kit. Here's a good install video i found this evening made by a vendor on here, i don't know how to alert them to see this post. @titanmotorsports

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk4pFiWOMPQ"]Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger FRS / BRZ Install - YouTube[/ame]

[86 South Africa]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Reading just the quote you posted sounds correct. We have seen Canadian 91 octane is pretty much the same as California/Nevada/Arizona 91 octane. Basically it is pretty crappy and it is our basis for tuning most cars. The only fuel we have found to be worse is South Africa.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Ah great! I want this edelbrock kit... But live in South Africa. What do you recommend then? Any solutions we can live with here, or is e85 the only real solution???
It gets hot in SA, and I want a reliable SC (+tune).
Does it mean sacrificing a few hp?

[illmatic]

Originally Posted by 86 South Africa

Ah great! I want this edelbrock kit... But live in South Africa. What do you recommend then? Any solutions we can live with here, or is e85 the only real solution???
It gets hot in SA, and I want a reliable SC (+tune).
Does it mean sacrificing a few hp?

Have you considered meth/water injection?

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[86 South Africa]

Originally Posted by illmatic

Have you considered meth/water injection?

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Not sure what you mean?
It's also a case of availability here... We don't get e15/85 at the pumps, so I'd need to make another plan.

I'm wondering if a simple octane booster is an option!?

[Nitro22]

As some of you who have been following this thread have known, folks with the Jackson Racing oil cooler (NA Version) are required to relocate the the heat exchanger. The JR oil cooler original position is in the same area that the Edelbrock Low Temp Radiator (LTR) will reside. Reference Post

Initially, the natural idea was to relocate the cooler forward and below the crash beam to make room for the LTR. Reference Post Although this method is not completely unorthodox, the obstruction the oil cooler has become for the Edelbrock LTR is more substantial than expected. In cruising conditions, I was logging almost 40°F higher Intake Air Temperature (IAT) than ambient. Highest peak IAT during autocrossing in 82°F ambient was 153°F. This was costing me ignition timing and ultimately power.

Looking for yet another alternative location for the oil cooler I noticed that there is a decent amount of flat real estate just in front of all of the other heat exchangers. In my line of work, I've seen heat exchangers mounted flat in the past. I was thinking that there should be a pressure differential between the front opening of the bumper and the high speed air flowing beneath the front of the car, it seemed reasonable the oil cooler could operate laying flat.

Drop down brackets from the crash beam to the oil cooler.










I may make a mesh grill to protect the cooler and I still need to create a better seal around the opening and the oil cooler, but so far I have seen a noticeable improvement. I've observed a drop in cruising IAT temps of 11-20°F! I still need to log more and see what my temps peak at during autocross or canyon driving but the change has shown promise. In addition, oil temps have only displayed about a 6°F increase. Again, I still have more data to gather, but I'm convinced that you do not want to obstruct the Edelbrock LTR if you care about IAT's.

-Aaron

[NotSoJDM]

Originally Posted by Nitro22

As some of you who have been following this thread have known, folks with the Jackson Racing oil cooler (NA Version) are required to relocate the the heat exchanger. The JR oil cooler original position is in the same area that the Edelbrock Low Temp Radiator (LTR) will reside. Reference Post

Initially, the natural idea was to relocate the cooler forward and below the crash beam to make room for the LTR. Reference Post Although this method is not completely unorthodox, the obstruction the oil cooler has become for the Edelbrock LTR is more substantial than expected. In cruising conditions, I was logging almost 40°F higher Intake Air Temperature (IAT) than ambient. Highest peak IAT during autocrossing in 82°F ambient was 153°F. This was costing me ignition timing and ultimately power.

Looking for yet another alternative location for the oil cooler I noticed that there is a decent amount of flat real estate just in front of all of the other heat exchangers. In my line of work, I've seen heat exchangers mounted flat in the past. I was thinking that there should be a pressure differential between the front opening of the bumper and the high speed air flowing beneath the front of the car, it seemed reasonable the oil cooler could operate laying flat.


I may make a mesh grill to protect the cooler and I still need to create a better seal around the opening and the oil cooler, but so far I have seen a noticeable improvement. I've observed a drop in cruising IAT temps of 11-20°F! I still need to log more and see what my temps peak at during autocross or canyon driving but the change has shown promise. In addition, oil temps have only displayed about a 6°F increase. Again, I still have more data to gather, but I'm convinced that you do not want to obstruct the Edelbrock LTR if you care about IAT's.

-Aaron

Those brackets look very well constructed! It's pretty awesome to see people putting forth the effort for a 'pro' fit/finish install! One bit of caution from me would be, that is a pretty vulnerable spot for damage to the cooler. Previously, I had hit a piece of semi-truck tire on the highway at about 75pmh and it obliterated that plastic piece you trimmed to allow air to get to your cooler. It also dented my aluminum undertray and the heatshield around the cat on my front pipe. I would be cautious of the fact that you could damage your cooler/line in the event of impact with anything from the road. Obviously the likelihood of this happening is pretty low, but you may be able to construct some sort of aluminum scoop to direct air in, while doubling as an added layer of protection from debris?

[Nitro22]

Originally Posted by NotSoJDM

Those brackets look very well constructed! It's pretty awesome to see people putting forth the effort for a 'pro' fit/finish install! One bit of caution from me would be, that is a pretty vulnerable spot for damage to the cooler. Previously, I had hit a piece of semi-truck tire on the highway at about 75pmh and it obliterated that plastic piece you trimmed to allow air to get to your cooler. It also dented my aluminum undertray and the heatshield around the cat on my front pipe. I would be cautious of the fact that you could damage your cooler/line in the event of impact with anything from the road. Obviously the likelihood of this happening is pretty low, but you may be able to construct some sort of aluminum scoop to direct air in, while doubling as an added layer of protection from debris?

Yes, there is definitely a added risk of damage. I'm possibly looking into adding a mesh grill to give some protection.


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[sato]

Also had a problem with a piece of a semi truck tire... Very damaging to my car. Try to have the strongest protection you can think of

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[NotSoJDM]

Originally Posted by Nitro22

Yes, there is definitely a added risk of damage. I'm possibly looking into adding a mesh grill to give some protection.


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Let us know what you decide to do for protection in that area. It is a really great idea, especially in terms of space savings. I just really worry about hanging something as critical as my oil supply in a spot that susceptible to impact. Having a nice robust solution in that area would be awesome.

[Nitro22]

Originally Posted by NotSoJDM

Let us know what you decide to do for protection in that area. It is a really great idea, especially in terms of space savings. I just really worry about hanging something as critical as my oil supply in a spot that susceptible to impact. Having a nice robust solution in that area would be awesome.

Yes, I agree. Severely damaging the oil cooler would mean instant tow truck for sure. I'll see what I can come up with for a guard to protect it. I guess one of the important points to take from my earlier post is that you don't want to obstruct the cool air flow for the Edelbrock LTR.

Oh btw, I just found this online. It is a trans cooler on the 2016 Camaro. Not as critical as oil, but nice to know the idea isn't too far fetched.


Thanks,
-Aaron

[Summerwolf]

There was a product for corvettes that had a little scoop on the skidplate. It directed air at the intake. Maybe not so dramatic, but something like that could help cooling and maybe provide a little protection.

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by Nitro22

Yes, I agree. Severely damaging the oil cooler would mean instant tow truck for sure. I'll see what I can come up with for a guard to protect it. I guess one of the important points to take from my earlier post is that you don't want to obstruct the cool air flow for the Edelbrock LTR.

Oh btw, I just found this online. It is a trans cooler on the 2016 Camaro. Not as critical as oil, but nice to know the idea isn't too far fetched.


Thanks,
-Aaron

I dont think it is a bad idea at all. A stone to more likely to pass through the radiator mounted up front than one facing down like this.

Problem you might have is that some air is being pushed down and out, rather than through the intercooler/Water/AC radiators....

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

There was a product for corvettes that had a little scoop on the skidplate. It directed air at the intake. Maybe not so dramatic, but something like that could help cooling and maybe provide a little protection.

This is exactly what I was about to suggest for a cover except facing backwards since the air will be flowing into the front, down and out.