200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[dominican]

On another thought, I really hope it isn't any less than 200 horsepower. This is personal now, but I can't buy a car that is slower than the Prelude, in any way. Maybe one day I'll need a pickup, or a minivan, but my main car will always be at least as fast and as fun as my Prelude.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by dominican

On another thought, I really hope it isn't any less than 200 horsepower. This is personal now, but I can't buy a car that is slower than the Prelude, in any way. Maybe one day I'll need a pickup, or a minivan, but my main car will always be at least as fast and as fun as my Prelude.

I don't remember US having an over 200hp Prelude. Highest US Prelude in that gen was 197hp. Also it weight over 3,000lbs. IF FT86 came w 185hp w 2750lbs, it has better power to weight ratio.

If that's worry, then I would recommend go w Gen, S2k, or even Z.

[enc0re]

Originally Posted by Archer256

i didnt say they suck. they are still cheap as hell. the Genesis interior is of cheap quality, look at any review or check it out for yourself - cheap materials are used. Yes Hyundai has come a long way but...they're still not high quality. Decade long warranty is nice but can any of the Hyundais last that long? The return offer is now ending usually that means people are going to start experiencing main problems after warranties are over.

If you are talking about the sedan, you're nuts. I seriously considered trading in my 3-series for a used V6 (prior to hearing about the FT86), because it's such a nice car.

[SteelReign]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

If you have been waiting decades for a miata/s2000 coupe with back seats then you are in the right place.

Too true. I just hope Toyota follows through with their marketing hype.

[dominican]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I don't remember US having an over 200hp Prelude. Highest US Prelude in that gen was 197hp. Also it weight over 3,000lbs. IF FT86 came w 185hp w 2750lbs, it has better power to weight ratio.

If that's worry, then I would recommend go w Gen, S2k, or even Z.

I should have qualified my post. I have an engine swapped Prelude, a JDM engine with an LSD transmission, intake, 3 inch headers back exhaust with test pipe, and dropped on Ground Control/Konis. That should be good for about 200-220 HP to the crank, at least, though I never Dynoed it. My buddy (and previous owner) did 4 years ago, was doing 194 wheel HP, that was before the intake and exhaust combo, which I'm guessing didn't hurt the output, and maybe helped it slightly.

I also put it on a slight diet, no cruise control module, no A/C components, lighter front seats, lighter battery, and a few other things I've forgotten about.

Anyway, I've driven the Genesis, and while it feels good to drive, I think it's ugly. I have a personal problem with the Zs, mainly that they weigh too much, it doesn't really feel right when driving it around, and it looks a little porky to me. The S2000 has been the car I have been aiming for this past 6 months. I was ready to pull the trigger on one, but it wasn't the right combination for me, I have very specific requirements for what I want in the S2000. On top of that, I decided to hold off until I can drive the toyobaru when it comes out, then I'll make my decision.

I'm hoping I'll like this new car, because I would like to buy my first new car, instead of having to buy used. all the time. This is why I'm hoping it's close to 2700 pounds and 200 HP. I could also be happy with 2800 pounds and 200 HP. I would prefer lower weight and less power, don't get me wrong, weight kills the fun on any car, but 0-60 in the 5s or low 6 is a must. Top speed between 130 and 140 would be nice (not that it matters in real life). If it's any slower than that, it would be slower than the Prelude, and then I wouldn't consider it much of an upgrade, making it not worth the price of admission, but that sounds like a personal problem.

My personal problem.

here's to hoping :happy0180:

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by dominican

I should have qualified my post. I have an engine swapped Prelude, a JDM engine with an LSD transmission, intake, 3 inch headers back exhaust with test pipe, and dropped on Ground Control/Konis. That should be good for about 200-220 HP to the crank, at least, though I never Dynoed it. My buddy (and previous owner) did 4 years ago, was doing 194 wheel HP, that was before the intake and exhaust combo, which I'm guessing didn't hurt the output, and maybe helped it slightly.

I also put it on a slight diet, no cruise control module, no A/C components, lighter front seats, lighter battery, and a few other things I've forgotten about.

Anyway, I've driven the Genesis, and while it feels good to drive, I think it's ugly. I have a personal problem with the Zs, mainly that they weigh too much, it doesn't really feel right when driving it around, and it looks a little porky to me. The S2000 has been the car I have been aiming for this past 6 months. I was ready to pull the trigger on one, but it wasn't the right combination for me, I have very specific requirements for what I want in the S2000. On top of that, I decided to hold off until I can drive the toyobaru when it comes out, then I'll make my decision.

I'm hoping I'll like this new car, because I would like to buy my first new car, instead of having to buy used. all the time. This is why I'm hoping it's close to 2700 pounds and 200 HP. I could also be happy with 2800 pounds and 200 HP. I would prefer lower weight and less power, don't get me wrong, weight kills the fun on any car, but 0-60 in the 5s or low 6 is a must. Top speed between 130 and 140 would be nice (not that it matters in real life). If it's any slower than that, it would be slower than the Prelude, and then I wouldn't consider it much of an upgrade, making it not worth the price of admission, but that sounds like a personal problem.

My personal problem.

here's to hoping :happy0180:

I don't know about 220HP. While you may have the mods and they advertise gains it doesnt mean that a +5hp exhaust matched with a +5hp intake will give you +10hp. Either way no offense but I think if the FT86 matches up to its handling benchmark it will be a big improvment over a Lude. I always thought the lude was Hondas "muscle" car with big HP, weight and okay handling. Actually the way I see it just the weight loss and RWD makes it a massive upgrade over a fwd honda especially since the lude really only makes power in vtec.

just a personal opinion about that.

0-60 within 5 secs is doubtful. I would say 6 would be a resonable estimate but then again with a starting platform that has low weight and a good engine you can easily make it much more fun than your lude.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by dominican

I should have qualified my post. I have an engine swapped Prelude, a JDM engine with an LSD transmission, intake, 3 inch headers back exhaust with test pipe, and dropped on Ground Control/Konis. That should be good for about 200-220 HP to the crank, at least, though I never Dynoed it. My buddy (and previous owner) did 4 years ago, was doing 194 wheel HP, that was before the intake and exhaust combo, which I'm guessing didn't hurt the output, and maybe helped it slightly.

I also put it on a slight diet, no cruise control module, no A/C components, lighter front seats, lighter battery, and a few other things I've forgotten about.

Anyway, I've driven the Genesis, and while it feels good to drive, I think it's ugly. I have a personal problem with the Zs, mainly that they weigh too much, it doesn't really feel right when driving it around, and it looks a little porky to me. The S2000 has been the car I have been aiming for this past 6 months. I was ready to pull the trigger on one, but it wasn't the right combination for me, I have very specific requirements for what I want in the S2000. On top of that, I decided to hold off until I can drive the toyobaru when it comes out, then I'll make my decision.

I'm hoping I'll like this new car, because I would like to buy my first new car, instead of having to buy used. all the time. This is why I'm hoping it's close to 2700 pounds and 200 HP. I could also be happy with 2800 pounds and 200 HP. I would prefer lower weight and less power, don't get me wrong, weight kills the fun on any car, but 0-60 in the 5s or low 6 is a must. Top speed between 130 and 140 would be nice (not that it matters in real life). If it's any slower than that, it would be slower than the Prelude, and then I wouldn't consider it much of an upgrade, making it not worth the price of admission, but that sounds like a personal problem.

My personal problem.

here's to hoping :happy0180:

Yeah, it's your preference. I have seen making +200hp (technically 207bhp) EJ25 engine... but again, Toyota & Subaru is using FB engine which we don't have much info about.

It's all up to how engine makes the power. Good example, my friend used to have your gen Prelude SH (only mod: cat back) and recently he bought '07 Impreza (stock NA). Even Impreza had 27hp less than Prelude, he claim Impreza had more power (which is totally lie).

Also it's all up to tq line. HP isn't really matter, but how smooth/nice tq line is. Even it's same hp, if it's differen tq line then it's totally different feel in the driving.

[dominican]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I don't know about 220HP. While you may have the mods and they advertise gains it doesnt mean that a +5hp exhaust matched with a +5hp intake will give you +10hp. Either way no offense but I think if the FT86 matches up to its handling benchmark it will be a big improvment over a Lude. I always thought the lude was Hondas "muscle" car with big HP, weight and okay handling. Actually the way I see it just the weight loss and RWD makes it a massive upgrade over a fwd honda especially since the lude really only makes power in vtec.

just a personal opinion about that.

0-60 within 5 secs is doubtful. I would say 6 would be a resonable estimate but then again with a starting platform that has low weight and a good engine you can easily make it much more fun than your lude.

ah, yes, I agree with you that my mods did little to gain, but the type S H22A that was put in there was rated at 220 HP due to a higher compression ratio over the USDM version.

The handling on my Prelude is actually VERY good. I'd say it's approaching the level of the integra Type R.

I hope the FT-86 will be a marked improvement over my 98 Prelude, to make it worth getting into a car payment.

Oh, and no offense taken, it's difficult to offend me, especially on the internets

[dominican]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah, it's your preference. I have seen making +200hp (technically 207bhp) EJ25 engine... but again, Toyota & Subaru is using FB engine which we don't have much info about.

It's all up to how engine makes the power. Good example, my friend used to have your gen Prelude SH (only mod: cat back) and recently he bought '07 Impreza (stock NA). Even Impreza had 27hp less than Prelude, he claim Impreza had more power (which is totally lie).

Also it's all up to tq line. HP isn't really matter, but how smooth/nice tq line is. Even it's same hp, if it's differen tq line then it's totally different feel in the driving.

I agree with you on the fact that it's all about power delivery. I prefer an engine that loves to rev through its rev range. The S2000 engine is like that, so is the Prelude engine, and the GS-R engine. I don't like engines that lose power as they get into their higher rev range. Sometimes they feel like they are running out of breath, or sometimes they buzz too much, or make an unpleasant noise when pushed to their rev limit. I love the feel and sounds of a properly revving engine.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by dominican

I agree with you on the fact that it's all about power delivery. I prefer an engine that loves to rev through its rev range. The S2000 engine is like that, so is the Prelude engine, and the GS-R engine. I don't like engines that lose power as they get into their higher rev range. Sometimes they feel like they are running out of breath, or sometimes they buzz too much, or make an unpleasant noise when pushed to their rev limit. I love the feel and sounds of a properly revving engine.

Current stock US NA engine have that problem... but just simple re-map of ECU and it makes an awesome engine.

Of course, if you want real deal NA boxer engine check this sound!
[u2b]wqnuj58lFQI[/u2b]

[u2b]AUVwMznieAE[/u2b]

To be fair, that has H6 engine (EG33 from SVX), so technically not H4 engine... but you get my point.

[Archer256]

Originally Posted by Mouse

I'm comparing your TSX cause that is what you drive, it's what you see everyday. Hyundai and Kia are one in the same much like Honda and Acura.

actually my family also has a 5 series and a 3 series so...yeah...my car isn't any kind of standard. It's decent interior, nice, does the job. I think the genesis interior looks nice, but the materials used are not of highest quality hence the lower cost (which was my point all along)

Originally Posted by enc0re

If you are talking about the sedan, you're nuts. I seriously considered trading in my 3-series for a used V6 (prior to hearing about the FT86), because it's such a nice car.

i said coupe, im guessing you quoted me after i did the edit. i also established i didnt mean to exaggerate the amount of "cheapness" of the interior.

[C-Bone]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Current stock US NA engine have that problem... but just simple re-map of ECU and it makes an awesome engine.

Of course, if you want real deal NA boxer engine check this sound!
[u2b]wqnuj58lFQI[/u2b]

[u2b]AUVwMznieAE[/u2b]

To be fair, that has H6 engine (EG33 from SVX), so technically not H4 engine... but you get my point.

Mmmm yummy

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by dominican

I should have qualified my post. I have an engine swapped Prelude, a JDM engine with an LSD transmission, intake, 3 inch headers back exhaust with test pipe, and dropped on Ground Control/Konis. That should be good for about 200-220 HP to the crank, at least, though I never Dynoed it. My buddy (and previous owner) did 4 years ago, was doing 194 wheel HP, that was before the intake and exhaust combo, which I'm guessing didn't hurt the output, and maybe helped it slightly.

I also put it on a slight diet, no cruise control module, no A/C components, lighter front seats, lighter battery, and a few other things I've forgotten about.

Anyway, I've driven the Genesis, and while it feels good to drive, I think it's ugly. I have a personal problem with the Zs, mainly that they weigh too much, it doesn't really feel right when driving it around, and it looks a little porky to me. The S2000 has been the car I have been aiming for this past 6 months. I was ready to pull the trigger on one, but it wasn't the right combination for me, I have very specific requirements for what I want in the S2000. On top of that, I decided to hold off until I can drive the toyobaru when it comes out, then I'll make my decision.

I'm hoping I'll like this new car, because I would like to buy my first new car, instead of having to buy used. all the time. This is why I'm hoping it's close to 2700 pounds and 200 HP. I could also be happy with 2800 pounds and 200 HP. I would prefer lower weight and less power, don't get me wrong, weight kills the fun on any car, but 0-60 in the 5s or low 6 is a must. Top speed between 130 and 140 would be nice (not that it matters in real life). If it's any slower than that, it would be slower than the Prelude, and then I wouldn't consider it much of an upgrade, making it not worth the price of admission, but that sounds like a personal problem.

My personal problem.

here's to hoping :happy0180:

You seem to be forgetting the FT-86 is RWD....not FWD. Thats like....I'm confused to your dilemma. Does not compute.

Get the FT-86, use the Prelude to get groceries, and, I dunno...uhm....other things that fronters are good at.

[fitcious]

lets hope the FT will weight less than 3000lbs after an average guy sits in it plus fuel!