2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback & Sedan

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I can do without the CF roof.

I think since the US is not a car market, but rather a truck and SUV market, I don't think Toyota will make the GR Corolla as track/race oriented as the GR Yaris. They're going to try to target as many people as possible, and having the CF roof will push up the price, and will turn off many of the potential buyers here. From a corporate perspective, they will profit the most by basing the GR Corolla on a fully loaded XSE trim, so actually the opposite of a hardcore model.

They seem to target the hatchback as pretty sporty. Then again, I've seen Kia and others show their econo sedans on track or drifting lol.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The cost of the base and the cost of a special GR will be a meaningless comparison unless all they are doing is slapping an engine in it. If that is the case it will be crap anyway.

I bet that's exactly what they're doing because 270hp and >3000 lbs is wrx territory and if it costs >$5k more then a wrx nobody will buy it.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I bet that's exactly what they're doing because 270hp and >3000 lbs is wrx territory and if it costs >$5k more then a wrx nobody will buy it.

I dunno about that, I'd buy it over a WRX even if it cost more.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I bet that's exactly what they're doing because 270hp and >3000 lbs is wrx territory and if it costs >$5k more then a wrx nobody will buy it.

Lol that's the same argument people say about our cars vs literally everything else. Yet here we are.

[Jeonsa]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Lol that's the same argument people say about our cars vs literally everything else. Yet here we are.

Yup lol

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Lol that's the same argument people say about our cars vs literally everything else. Yet here we are.

? 86s weigh 600# less then a four banger Camaro and can carry two whole lunch bags that a Miata can't, the 86 fits a niche and price point nobody else does right now the closest is a Cayman or base 911 at double the price. A 2 door Yaris would have been special, but an AWD Corolla isn't.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I dunno about that, I'd buy it over a WRX even if it cost more.

Fanbois gonna fanboi.

As a Yaris I would have found up to $40k to make it happen, as a five door Rolla I'll let someone else pony up.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

? 86s weigh 600# less then a four banger Camaro and can carry two whole lunch bags that a Miata can't, the 86 fits a niche and price point nobody else does right now the closest is a Cayman or base 911 at double the price. A 2 door Yaris would have been special, but an AWD Corolla isn't.

How is a 2 door Yaris special but an AWD Corolla not? That makes no sense. O_o

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Fanbois gonna fanboi.

As a Yaris I would have found up to $40k to make it happen, as a five door Rolla I'll let someone else pony up.

I wouldn't say I'm a fanboi for the GR Corolla. For me, it (as long as they don't go too absurd with differentiating it from the standard hatch) looks better than a WRX, is more practical for me, and I'm sure is a lot easier to maintain.

Paying what I paid for my 28 year-old Nissan makes me a fanboi tho

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by weederr33

How is a 2 door Yaris special but an AWD Corolla not? That makes no sense. O_o

Because there are no lightweight awd cars available in the USA in over 20 years. If I want an AWD >3000# econobox I can buy an Impreza/wrx/sti, golf R/A3, 2 series, mini, or Mazda 3, or used brings a focus RS, or lancer into the equation. That formula isn't special at all, what makes the gr Yaris cool is that it is 270hp awd in a package lighter than an 86.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Because there are no lightweight awd cars available in the USA in over 20 years. If I want an AWD >3000# econobox I can buy an Impreza/wrx/sti, golf R/A3, 2 series, mini, or Mazda 3, or used brings a focus RS, or lancer into the equation. That formula isn't special at all, what makes the gr Yaris cool is that it is 270hp awd in a package lighter than an 86.

Sounds like you will never get what you want then, my dude.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Safety regulations will never make a lightweight AWD car happen here.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Safety regulations will never make a lightweight AWD car happen here.

Exactly! Which is why I'll take what I can get.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Safety regulations will never make a lightweight AWD car happen here.

It's built on the tnga platform and passes safety everywhere else in the world. It's pure economics why Toyota stopped selling Yaris in the USA, and Honda stopped selling the Fit. Americans don't buy small cars. They both have a longer wheelbase then a Supra, it's not like they're kei cars.


I'll survive playing with other fun cars, a hopped up Corolla just isn't high on my purchase list as much as I like the tnga platform.