2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by indesign

if you can't sell them to 20 somethings who dont work 80 hours a week at a decent job, then might as well sell them to middle aged women.

I've seen a few middle aged woman driving them around lol.

[DirtDrift]

Scion was purely an experiment from Toyota to test the waters with models using different product offered in overseas markets, different marketing, different content packaging, and different financing tactics. While it WAS marketed to the younger crowd in the beginning, the second generation of their core vehicles quickly changed their brand ethos and moved to a larger, more comfortable, more expensive vehicle. Unfortunately the consumer gap between "funky" and "practical" is wider than the grand canyon so their experiment quickly came to an end.

The FR-S was only badged as a Scion because their not so bright CEO begged (fought tooth and nail) for new product to reinvigorate the brand. Unfortunately they listened to him and the FR-S never got the beginning in life that it deserved. Had it initially been badged and sold as a Toyota, I have no doubt it would have more market share than it does now. At least they're giving it a second go.

Toyota learned a lot from the Scion experiment. They learned a lot of WHAT NOT TO DO. Good riddance Scion.

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by DirtDrift

Had it initially been badged and sold as a Toyota, I have no doubt it would have more market share than it does now. At least they're giving it a second go.

Toyota learned a lot from the Scion experiment. They learned a lot of WHAT NOT TO DO. Good riddance Scion.

Spot on.

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by DirtDrift

Scion was purely an experiment from Toyota to test the waters with models using different product offered in overseas markets, different marketing, different content packaging, and different financing tactics. While it WAS marketed to the younger crowd in the beginning, the second generation of their core vehicles quickly changed their brand ethos and moved to a larger, more comfortable, more expensive vehicle. Unfortunately the consumer gap between "funky" and "practical" is wider than the grand canyon so their experiment quickly came to an end.

The FR-S was only badged as a Scion because their not so bright CEO begged (fought tooth and nail) for new product to reinvigorate the brand. Unfortunately they listened to him and the FR-S never got the beginning in life that it deserved. Had it initially been badged and sold as a Toyota, I have no doubt it would have more market share than it does now. At least they're giving it a second go.

Toyota learned a lot from the Scion experiment. They learned a lot of WHAT NOT TO DO. Good riddance Scion.

Now you can understand why people like me decided to swapped those cheap badges and horrible halogen headlights right away and side markers Because I wanted it the way Toyota should've bought it to the states.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Vassp

The mx5 is a car similar in concept to the 86 twins in that it was designed, built and fine tuned from the ground up for the enthusiast to enjoy, or tune to the next level. Toyota got some input from Mazda on the 2017, from what I've read it's mostly in suspension tune. That's why the 2017 is closer to the new mx5 than the original.

So it leans so hard it almost capsized in corners? I could rock myself to sleep in a slalom.
Says who that Mazda advised Toyota? They do not have any connection in the sports car business AFAIK. Mind you, Mazda is supplying their Mazda 2 sedan from Mexico for the Yaris so who knows.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

That suede on the passenger side is more boy racer than anything before it.

I think ultrasuede is associated with premium quality and luxury, just what Toyota has to move the interior upscale.

Boy racer is carbon fibre IMHO, like in MY13.

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by wbradley

So it leans so hard it almost capsized in corners? I could rock myself to sleep in a slalom.
Says who that Mazda advised Toyota? They do not have any connection in the sports car business AFAIK. Mind you, Mazda is supplying their Mazda 2 sedan from Mexico for the Yaris so who knows.

You might want to search this, as mazda and toyota got together, mazda did advise toyota on the 2017 set up. It was said that they collaborated to further improve their platforms and the end goal was to strengthen the japanese car industry. Makes sense since korea is nocking on their door.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Vassp

You might want to search this, as mazda and toyota got together, mazda did advise toyota on the 2017 set up. It was said that they collaborated to further improve their platforms and the end goal was to strengthen the japanese car industry. Makes sense since korea is nocking on their door.

Hmmmm... I would think if news like that was legit it would have been of enough interest to enthusiasts to have been mentioned in at least one of the major auto blogs, never saw it.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Vassp

Ive been eyeing the new mx5 and 86 for ages now. Read a million reviews and online vids. I've driven the '13 86 and felt it was compromised as a street car in some respects. Now waiting for the 2017 to arrive in Australia so I can test them both back to back. Hard choice to make that's for sure.

Having owned both ...... my take is that if you want a roadster, but a MX5, if you want a coupe, buy a 86.

See how simple it can be .....


humfrz

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

Just visited the 86 toyota page today and realized how hideous this car looks in all of the official photography..

Weird I actually like the way the car looks from all the unofficial media Iv'e seen.

Photographers insist on shooting cars from door handle height, which is not where normal human being see cars from. It drives me insane. From roof height and higher, it looks much different.

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Hmmmm... I would think if news like that was legit it would have been of enough interest to enthusiasts to have been mentioned in at least one of the major auto blogs, never saw it.

I've read about this colaboration a few times, I'm trying to find it and now I can't. Will try to get a link on this.

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Having owned both ...... my take is that if you want a roadster, but a MX5, if you want a coupe, buy a 86.

See how simple it can be .....


humfrz

Haha

Which mx5 did you own? Have you considered the new nd?

Leaning now towards the 86 because
it has a spare tyre.....

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Vassp

Haha

Which mx5 did you own? Have you considered the new nd?

Leaning now towards the 86 because
it has a spare tyre.....

We drove a 2006 (NC) for 88,000 touring miles in 8 years, all over the western and midwestern US and western Canada.

We have had our 2013 FRS for 3 years and 16,000 mile (yes, we are slowing down).

We traded to NC for the FRS because mrs humfrz tired of the "wind in the hair" roadster touring. So, we got an FR-S which is a bit larger (more room to nap in), is a coupe (a bit quieter - can talk & listen to music easier) and has more storage for traveling.

If I could find a younger co-pilot () ...... I'd get a ND (with a retractable hardtop).





humfrz

[Vassp]

Originally Posted by humfrz

We drove a 2006 (NC) for 88,000 touring miles in 8 years, all over the western and midwestern US and western Canada.

We have had our 2013 FRS for 3 years and 16,000 mile (yes, we are slowing down).

We traded to NC for the FRS because mrs humfrz tired of the "wind in the hair" roadster touring. So, we got an FR-S which is a bit larger (more room to nap in), is a coupe (a bit quieter - can talk & listen to music easier) and has more storage for traveling.

If I could find a younger co-pilot () ...... I'd get a ND (with a retractable hardtop).





humfrz

The rh nd would be awesome. Best of both worlds. As for finding younger co-pilot, hehe that would be a double whammy.