2015 WRX vs. FR-S/BRZ

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

just some suspension pieces and and a rear differential

I would hardly call expeirmental SRC's or JRZ's on a WRX "just some suspension pieces" lol

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And yet again you have appointed yourself the expert on what all people should want and like.
Totally agree that the FRS is a niche car but comparing it too the others and saying they are better "end of story" is doing exactly what you are pissed at others about. Apply your own opinion to anything you want but if you are going to say your opinion is the only right one then stop shooting off you mouth that others feel the same way about theirs.
There are better cars and there are worse cars and opinions on them vary that does not make it "brain washing". Just because some people get a tad overzealous about their cars does not deem you their superior and allow you to pass judgement on them.
I may spend some quality time and go back through the forum and find at what point you became a bitter, disillusioned, anti Twin spokesman.

Not to sort of defend the guy, but despite coming across as a jaded and elitist douchenozzle (I guess that's the opposite of defending) in how he words some of his posts, he does make some valid points. While I adore and am perfectly happy with my BRZ; If you're obsessed with numbers, there are quicker cars in the same price bracket. If you need room for stuff, there are more practical cars in the same price bracket. There are groups of people who go way over-the-top to justify their purchase of a Twin as opposed to something else, and just as many people who go out of their way to call the first group fools.

I would say the real issue is trying to claim that any car is universally better than another car for everyone. Personally, I place a higher value on making sure what I drive does what I need it to do while making me smile in the process. Which I guess is the same point you were making, so maybe I just wanted to type douchenozzle. I already said my bit between these two cars a few pages back, so it's probably the latter.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

Not to sort of defend the guy, but despite coming across as a jaded and elitist douchenozzle (I guess that's the opposite of defending) in how he words some of his posts, he does make some valid points. While I adore and am perfectly happy with my BRZ; If you're obsessed with numbers, there are quicker cars in the same price bracket. If you need room for stuff, there are more practical cars in the same price bracket. There are groups of people who go way over-the-top to justify their purchase of a Twin as opposed to something else, and just as many people who go out of their way to call the first group fools.

I would say the real issue is trying to claim that any car is universally better than another car for everyone. Personally, I place a higher value on making sure what I drive does what I need it to do while making me smile in the process. Which I guess is the same point you were making, so maybe I just wanted to type douchenozzle. I already said my bit between these two cars a few pages back, so it's probably the latter.

You are just a lot more elegant with your phrasing but ya we agree 100% and that was indeed my point.
He actualy is doing what everybody says to do when you grow bored of the car or find it doesn't meet your needs, he is changing. It is just the overall attitude that bugs me and it seems to be prevalent when people decide to move on..

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And yet again you have appointed yourself the expert on what all people should want and like.
Totally agree that the FRS is a niche car but comparing it too the others and saying they are better "end of story" is doing exactly what you are pissed at others about. Apply your own opinion to anything you want but if you are going to say your opinion is the only right one then stop shooting off you mouth that others feel the same way about theirs.
There are better cars and there are worse cars and opinions on them vary that does not make it "brain washing". Just because some people get a tad overzealous about their cars does not deem you their superior and allow you to pass judgement on them.
I may spend some quality time and go back through the forum and find at what point you became a bitter, disillusioned, anti Twin spokesman.

I've been the same since before I bought the car. I'm not anti twin. Far from it as I still recommend this car to people frequently; people who specifically looking for this kind of car. I enjoy knowing you feel the need to spend your time checking up on my history on this forum though..

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You are just a lot more elegant with your phrasing but ya we agree 100% and that was indeed my point.
He actualy is doing what everybody says to do when you grow bored of the car or find it doesn't meet your needs, he is changing. It is just the overall attitude that bugs me and it seems to be prevalent when people decide to move on..

What attitude? That I'm being a realist? That im saying a 4 door awd car is more of a practical everyday vehicle to the vast majority of people in America? That the two cars appeal to people in different ways and that to a vast majority of people, the WRX may be more appealing because it offers more for the money? I've agreed with some of the previous mentioned but some of this that comes out of peoples' mouths is a bit ridiculous.

"Looks like a C7 Vette" "Drives like a Supercar".... Seriously? Surprised nobody has said it looks or sounds like a Zonda yet. Being a proud owner is one thing. Being oblivious and delusional is another. I'll say the Focus ST looks like an Audi RS3 Sportback and the WRX looks like an M3 then if that's the case.

Now I'll just wait for the inevitable response coming talking about my piss poor attitude and how I hate everything involving the car. Talk about passing judgement.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

Not to sort of defend the guy, but despite coming across as a jaded and elitist douchenozzle (I guess that's the opposite of defending) in how he words some of his posts, he does make some valid points. While I adore and am perfectly happy with my BRZ; If you're obsessed with numbers, there are quicker cars in the same price bracket. If you need room for stuff, there are more practical cars in the same price bracket. There are groups of people who go way over-the-top to justify their purchase of a Twin as opposed to something else, and just as many people who go out of their way to call the first group fools.

I would say the real issue is trying to claim that any car is universally better than another car for everyone. Personally, I place a higher value on making sure what I drive does what I need it to do while making me smile in the process. Which I guess is the same point you were making, so maybe I just wanted to type douchenozzle. I already said my bit between these two cars a few pages back, so it's probably the latter.

Jaded and elitist? Far from it. 80% of all of my posts and 95% of my messages in my inbox have been made in genuinely helping others out on this forum. I'm just blunt and upfront.

[thill]

I think you are spot on Tyler. The WRX really is an all around better car. That does not mean it is more fun. That does not mean it is more sporty. But it is more practical (real backseats, four doors, AWD for winter, less harsh of a drive, easier to get in and out of, bigger trunk, etc). It puts down power and I am averaging 1.5MPG less and I don't granny the car. I loved my BRZ, but the car was completely impractical (I have kids) and too be fair to the car, I probably should not have bought one as my daily driver. It would have been much better served as a weekend fun car in hindsight, but I was having a mini mid-life crisis when I bought the car and it really was a blast.

The WRX is definitely a fun car. In a different way. It handles quite well, it has lots of power. AWD has saved my butt several times based on where I live and resale value is incredible with these cars, and to your point Tyler you get a ton of car for your money (no pun intended). I suspect that is why resale is so strong with these cars and why Subaru cannot make them fast enough. They are simply more practical and will appeal to a far wider audience than the FT86 ever will. And I don't mean that in a negative way but facts are facts. I wish I could have kept both cars and I am looking to add a used un, light, RWD car to my stable (S2K, Miata, FR-S). I suspect in a year or so I will be able to pickup a used FR-S for $15-16K range in good condition and I would love to own one again.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

I would hardly call expeirmental SRC's or JRZ's on a WRX "just some suspension pieces" lol

Oh we have custom valved Cusco Zero 3X on the WRX.

Ironically because we have experience with the platform (previous generations), R&D is way, WAY faster...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by thill

I think you are spot on Tyler. The WRX really is an all around better car. That does not mean it is more fun. That does not mean it is more sporty. But it is more practical (real backseats, four doors, AWD for winter, less harsh of a drive, easier to get in and out of, bigger trunk, etc). It puts down power and I am averaging 1.5MPG less and I don't granny the car. I loved my BRZ, but the car was completely impractical (I have kids) and too be fair to the car, I probably should not have bought one as my daily driver. It would have been much better served as a weekend fun car in hindsight, but I was having a mini mid-life crisis when I bought the car and it really was a blast.

The WRX is definitely a fun car. In a different way. It handles quite well, it has lots of power. AWD has saved my butt several times based on where I live and resale value is incredible with these cars, and to your point Tyler you get a ton of car for your money (no pun intended). I suspect that is why resale is so strong with these cars and why Subaru cannot make them fast enough. They are simply more practical and will appeal to a far wider audience than the FT86 ever will. And I don't mean that in a negative way but facts are facts. I wish I could have kept both cars and I am looking to add a used un, light, RWD car to my stable (S2K, Miata, FR-S). I suspect in a year or so I will be able to pickup a used FR-S for $15-16K range in good condition and I would love to own one again.

Wait wut. I get WAY better MPG in the WRX than in the BRZ.... and while I'm not a crazy driver, I do have my fun... Downshifted boost for every pass, WOT on every onramp, WOT around every turn that's reasonable....

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Wait wut. I get WAY better MPG in the WRX than in the BRZ....

lol wut?!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I've been the same since before I bought the car. I'm not anti twin. Far from it as I still recommend this car to people frequently; people who specifically looking for this kind of car. I enjoy knowing you feel the need to spend your time checking up on my history on this forum though..



What attitude? That I'm being a realist? That im saying a 4 door awd car is more of a practical everyday vehicle to the vast majority of people in America? That the two cars appeal to people in different ways and that to a vast majority of people, the WRX may be more appealing because it offers more for the money? I've agreed with some of the previous mentioned but some of this that comes out of peoples' mouths is a bit ridiculous.

"Looks like a C7 Vette" "Drives like a Supercar".... Seriously? Surprised nobody has said it looks or sounds like a Zonda yet. Being a proud owner is one thing. Being oblivious and delusional is another. I'll say the Focus ST looks like an Audi RS3 Sportback and the WRX looks like an M3 then if that's the case.

Now I'll just wait for the inevitable response coming talking about my piss poor attitude and how I hate everything involving the car. Talk about passing judgement.

You know I actually may be falling in the "read it as angry" trap that so many do to me! If I strip away all emotional tone when reading your posts then I think we actually agree on a lot and it is just your writing style (and perhaps mine as well) that is tripping us up. It doesn't help that from my perspective the WRX is a piece of junk that you could not force me to buy at gunpoint and the FRS is perfectly suited to my needs.
Oh well, not like either is going to change the other's mind so might as well move on.

[echo419]

I really like my car. I don't have to fix it, I just got a free oil change at the dealer, it's super fun to drive, it gets great mpg if I want it to and it's so cheap I hardly notice the payment every month. this is so much better than having to worry if my car is going to crank every morning or trying to figure out what that oil spot on the floor is. I can't believe that I didn't buy this sooner.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

The 86 is a one trick pony that is mediocre at something NONE of the cars other than the Mustang can do.

Just say you want a 0-60 car and be done with it. It's okay, no one will judge you.

Is that one trick be RWD?

The one trick I'm talking about is its handling feel. It's very stable and confidence inspiring, but all-in-all it's not as exciting as people make it seem.

It's not that I want a car that accelerates quickly, it's that I've become accustomed to cars that do or at least feel like they do (ie my Miata). Perhaps on a circuit course this car is brilliant, but I didn't buy a racecar, I bought a street car. It's on the street, daily driving, that feels so lackluster and dull.

Being quick and having great handling are mutual exclusive.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

Is that one trick be RWD?

The one trick I'm talking about is its handling feel. It's very stable and confidence inspiring, but all-in-all it's not as exciting as people make it seem.

It's not that I want a car that accelerates quickly, it's that I've become accustomed to cars that do or at least feel like they do (ie my Miata). Perhaps on a circuit course this car is brilliant, but I didn't buy a racecar, I bought a street car. It's on the street, daily driving, that feels so lackluster and dull.

Being quick and having great handling are mutual exclusive.

That would be the one trick. Because of the drive train, you can do things in a twin (like gymkhana, or just acting like an idiot) that you can't do, well, in any of those "Better performing" cars. If your metric is 0-60 and quarter mile times, there are better cars for the money no doubt. But there are other things than 0-60 and quarter mile times that can and do determine performance.


Confidence inspiring and exciting .... Well if you feel safe at X speed in a twin because you're confident that the car isn't going anywhere, you are probably driving at 6/10.

I'm sorry you are not excited at 6/10.

You're bench marking handeling "excitement" on your miata that has body roll in spades. Yes, I am sure you are going to feel more excitement in a corner when you think you will be up on 2 wheels at any moment.

Confidence inspiring and exciting are really two words that are totally subjective. If you do/did drive a twin at 8,9,10/10 and weren't excited, I feel for you.

[echo419]

it's like banging a porn star with small boobs or ass. sure those qualities aren't great but she's got 10x the skill of that cheerleader with those attributes you smashed in HS.