Direct Injector Failure Poll

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Lol.. You have a way with words.. He never said the FA20 was a mistake.. He's talking about the next generation.. The new thing to excite existing owners and attract new ones.. Just like GM did with the C6 corvette.. After having the LS2 for 2005 - 2007.. The new and improved LS3 was the new engine starting in 08.
You need to get over your personal vendetta with the FA20 already..

Do you know how long the "last generation" EJ stayed for?

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Do you know how long the "last generation" EJ stayed for?

Who cares? That has nothing to do with the times or technology changes that are ever increasing to meet the demands.. You know how long the small black Chevy stayed for? Everything changes.. And ever more quickly in these times..

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Who cares? That has nothing to do with the times or technology changes that are ever increasing to meet the demands.. You know how long the small black Chevy stayed for? Everything changes.. And ever more quickly in these times..

The Fx2x is the staple of Subaru's future lineup. It won't be going away anytime soon.

It's almost synonymous with Nissan's VQ...

[lexusb3]

Originally Posted by regal

That's true abviously a 400hp '86 needs a tranny, diff, and axels, but the point that Sportsguy was making is that the longblock is very solid. Very few OEM shortblocks made today can handle a 100% increase in HP even for a few hundred miles let alone 10k, that says a lot about the importance of tuning with this car.

lol im on stock everything and sticky tires to keep this on the road and i have 400++hp and over 10K turbo miles on it so ill let everyone know when something/anything takes a turn for the worst but believe me this car can handle it very well!! and i agree the tuning of the car is very important because my tune WORKS lol

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by lexusb3

lol im on stock everything and sticky tires to keep this on the road and i have 400++hp and over 10K turbo miles on it so ill let everyone know when something/anything takes a turn for the worst but believe me this car can handle it very well!! and i agree the tuning of the car is very important because my tune WORKS lol

The engine/tune is not what I'm worried about...

[lexusb3]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The engine/tune is not what I'm worried about...

i understand that but also you are worried about the trans/axles etc right? if it can handle the power stock? im just tring to understand

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by lexusb3

i understand that but also you are worried about the trans/axles etc right? if it can handle the power stock? im just tring to understand

Correct.

I've seen them go at lower power levels than yours. It just depends on how often you're enjoying your power. If you're doing just a freeway pull or two once or twice a week, you may be lucky and never suffer a failure.

Nobody really knows what the breaking point (pun intended) is yet.

[Weeber]

I ain't no Nostradamus but I bet you we'll see these Toyotas with 100k+ on the odo within a couple of years.

[lexusb3]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Correct.

I've seen them go at lower power levels than yours. It just depends on how often you're enjoying your power. If you're doing just a freeway pull or two once or twice a week, you may be lucky and never suffer a failure.

Nobody really knows what the breaking point (pun intended) is yet.

true i agree but thats what im doing currently im a mainly high way driver i got the car in feburary and about 1,000 miles in i let FA20club do all the work now i currently have about 14,500 thousand miles on it and since day one i have abuse this car from 5psi-16 psi including a 21psi run to see i drift it occasionally when enough space.. i redline to 8 alot...alot of dynos obv when it was getting tunes. i do alot of run on the high way i cruize and i do daily the car for the reason of taking it to its limits!! im not trying to break it as i know i can if i reallly really try but i am pushing it and ppl on this forum know. So i understand where you are comming from i could be lucky, but i got to say everything is holding up..i will hit the drag strip PBIR in about 2/3 weeks as i take off work VACATION finally lol so ill def post the resutls!

[regal]

Originally Posted by lexusb3

true i agree but thats what im doing currently im a mainly high way driver i got the car in feburary and about 1,000 miles in i let FA20club do all the work now i currently have about 14,500 thousand miles on it and since day one i have abuse this car from 5psi-16 psi including a 21psi run to see i drift it occasionally when enough space.. i redline to 8 alot...alot of dynos obv when it was getting tunes. i do alot of run on the high way i cruize and i do daily the car for the reason of taking it to its limits!! im not trying to break it as i know i can if i reallly really try but i am pushing it and ppl on this forum know. So i understand where you are comming from i could be lucky, but i got to say everything is holding up..i will hit the drag strip PBIR in about 2/3 weeks as i take off work VACATION finally lol so ill def post the resutls!

Your car is a great testament to the shortblock and FA20club's tuning. I think it shows what we've been saying a good tune is probably all this car needs to avoid the issues we've been experiencing.

I would ask how much extended 5200 rpm+ runs (not WOT pulls rather long runs holding it in the powerband?) Also what oil are you using?

Thanks for posting.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by regal

Your car is a great testament to the shortblock and FA20club's tuning. I think it shows what we've been saying a good tune is probably all this car needs to avoid the issues we've been experiencing.

I would ask how much extended 5200 rpm+ runs (not WOT pulls rather long runs holding it in the powerband?) Also what oil are you using?

Thanks for posting.

If he's running a FA20CLUB ECUTEK tune, then he probably has fixed transient timing tables

[regal]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If he's running a FA20CLUB ECUTEK tune, then he probably has fixed transient timing tables

Yes and we are still in the infancy of tuning this car, when you look at Subaru tuning there are other compromises made for emissions that probably should also be modified. I figure if I'm going to put an aftermarket tune on this car might as well clean up the long open to closed loop delays, the over dependence on knock sensor feedback and probably several other things tuners working with the Subaru factory tuning strategies have been dealing with for years.

If its any consolidation its not all Subaru's fault, they were pressured by Tada/Toyota to extract 100hp/L on an engine without variable lift and still meet strict global emissions including carbon taxes.

Would be happy to give up a little dyno HP for a track tune with a catless header. Just saying there is still improvement beyond the missed TIR tables. Many times a good track tune can lower oil temps. This engine has potential and in time hopefully these things will be worked out before enthusiasts give up on the platform.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If he's running a FA20CLUB ECUTEK tune, then he probably has fixed transient timing tables

He is also running e85 which may fix both the detonation and heat problems.

[lexusb3]

Originally Posted by regal

Your car is a great testament to the shortblock and FA20club's tuning. I think it shows what we've been saying a good tune is probably all this car needs to avoid the issues we've been experiencing.

I would ask how much extended 5200 rpm+ runs (not WOT pulls rather long runs holding it in the powerband?) Also what oil are you using?

Thanks for posting.

Thanks and I'm using 10w-40 full syn