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Are they putting warnings on fish for pregnant and lactating women like the FDA? Some warnings might be good you know. I'm not saying all warnings are bad. For instance, the Tesla warns people when they don't touch the steering wheel or when they need to or when it detects an issue like in the Youtube video I posted, where there was a loud warning and a large, red, steering wheel image on the screen with hands on the wheel signaling the driver, and it required the driver to push the accelerator again. https://www.fda.gov/media/102331/download
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Don't get fixated on the name. Full Self-Driving mode could mean full driver assistance. Nowhere does it say or describe being level 5 autonomy or full autonomy or full automation, which is how levels are described. Nowhere does the system say the driver can be anywhere but the driver's seat and attentive. It does use the word full, but I wouldn't be surprised if they use a different name for level 4/5 autonomy like Taxi Mode or something more clever.
Meanwhile, we have many companies with level 2 autonomy, which is what Tesla and others describes its Autopilot to be, and what Tesla describes its FSD mode beta to be (or Level 2+) with the idea that it will be level 3 when it becomes available to the entire fleet. Honda has released a level 3 autonomous car, and AutoX already has level 4 autonomous taxis in service, and they have trials in other cities. Honda is teaming up with AutoX to gain AutoX's capabilities for Hondas in China. https://europe.autonews.com/automake...f-driving-cars https://www.gizmochina.com/2021/04/1...cars-in-china/
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and that is exactly why i hate tesla. "Full Self Driving"
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The one I have trouble with is the warning "Contains Nuts" on packets of peanuts.
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Because peanuts are legumes?
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Now don't lie. How many times have you put that bag on your head and asked your wife to read the warning label?
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In this sense, level 3 autonomy is full driving assistance autonomy. Level 4 and 5 autonomy is the car being autonomous of a driver where there is no driver in the driver’s seat, or there is no driver’s seat. The real name should be Full Driver Assistance mode or something. Maybe that was already copyrighted. Again, I’ll restate: Full Autonomy or Full Automation or Level 5 Autonomy will not have a driver or likely have any driver’s controls or driver’s seat. The name Full Self-Driving really doesn’t have much meaning on its own in a literal way or trying to interpret its meaning: is full self-driving referring to the driver as self or the car as self? Is Full Self-Driving short for Full Assistance Package for Self-Driving, referencing a human driver, versus the Partial/Full Car Autonomy, which is free from a driver? If Autopilot is level 2 and the jump to 3 is so much more and is the maximum assistance a driver can have then what should they call it? Maybe they should have used the word complete or total or absolute or maximum along with Autopilot instead of Full and something else. I don’t think it really matters. It seems what is more important is the government needs to create a standard, instead of the states like the article mentions, and idiots will still be idiots, but there should be a public campaign or educational requirement when purchasing a car with such features or have unique penalties for abusing the systems or something universal, so people don’t continue special pleading. Quote:
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So why say "Contains Nuts" if it doesn't? lol
Well, I thought it was funny.
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The bottom line is Tesla does nothing to discourage the behavior you see from a few with whatever you want to call their system. The fact that they have "Summon" turned on in a car they say can't really drive itself is even more hypocrisy on their part, and leads people to say "well, heck, if it can do that..." I think we are at another of those "agree to disagree" on this. As I said earlier, the drivers are idiots, and Tesla does nothing to discourage it because it's free advertising for them (usually positive, occasionally negative, but press is press). In the end, GM's Super Cruise does what Tesla's does, and it better protects riders and the driving public at the same time.
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Lots of seeds and legumes are called nuts in the culinary world, as well as, in the medical world, since nuts, seeds and legumes have similar allergic manifestations, and the word for nuts, seeds and legumes don't always translate perfectly across cultures. Convention led to the universal expression for these things all being nuts.
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I agree that Supercruise offers more protections. Many cars offer more protection to the driver and to the driving public too with safety software and driver aids. I am assuming you aren't special pleading Tesla and are equally disgruntled with them too. Story update: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...on-musk-2021-4
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The article you quoted even plays to that a bit. Rather than talking to the authorities and trying to help with the ongoing investigation, which would help with public safety, etc, Musk just tweets "Yea, ain't our problem". I also think this says a lot from the article "Saturday's incident is the 28th Tesla crash to be investigated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Autopilot has played a role in more than 20 of these Tesla crashes, Reuters reported in March."
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I feel like in any other context, we would say these idiots, who are driving drunk or car surfing or whatever, win the Darwin Award, and if their idiocy caused collateral damage, injuries or deaths then we would say it is a shame these idiots exist, but we wouldn't blame Ford or Toyota. The comments made about Tesla comes off as special pleading. Tesla might not volunteer to release private information to the authorities, but they may comply with a warrant. Would you want car manufactures to voluntarily, or upon request, give authorities video surveillance or vehicle information of you driving? That doesn't immediately make you cringe thinking about the violations of your 4th Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures? Reminds me of Apple and the FBI: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/roge...s-for-doj.html
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