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Burrcold · 02-23-2011, 03:02 PM

Matador is correct. I actually work in new model development for the largest parts supplier in the world. I have seen a few 3 year (total) development cycles, but they are very rare. 4-5 years is about right (from initial concept to SOP). When I say concept, I'm not talking about the physical concept vehicle, I'm talking literal concept. It all really depends on how many parts can be carried over from other projects, or previous years.

DantKR · 02-23-2011, 03:14 PM

I never said Matador was wrong nor questioned him. What I asked was if it has actually been in development for 3 years or if that's how long we've known about it.

SUB-FT86 · 02-23-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Wow, you guys have no clue at all about car development cycles do you? Thank God for the internet.

I know about car cycles, my only gripe is Toyota has created a second body yet Subaru doesn't even have one yet and they both started working on them the same time. We have seen the mis-matched body now for a good two years testing.

Burrcold · 02-23-2011, 03:23 PM

I will guarentee you that the body for both have been established already (assuming they are in fact coming out this year).

Even if they were to do in-house stamping for body panels, the tooling time required would be at least 1.5 years.

SUB-FT86 · 02-23-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Burrcold

I will guarentee you that the body for both have been established already (assuming they are in fact coming out this year).

Even if they were to do in-house stamping for body panels, the tooling time required would be at least 1.5 years.

I hope so. The more I think about it you're so right. The Subaru version is the tester and the Toyota version is pretty much everything else. So I'm guessing combining those two things together you get one car for both manufacturers to differentiate.

SUB-FT86 · 02-23-2011, 03:35 PM

The one thing I also love about this car taking so long is that I have saved up quite possibly 60-75% of what I think this car will cost and that's not even including selling my paid off RSX. I'm looking to buy outright.

Burrcold · 02-23-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The one thing I also love about this car taking so long is that I have saved up quite possibly 60-75% of what I think this car will cost and that's not even including selling my paid off RSX. I'm looking to buy outright.

I wish I had just kept saving, but I ended up buying the Genesis. Oh well, I don't owe anything on it so I can just sell if I REALLY like one of the FT iterations.

SUB-FT86 · 02-23-2011, 03:50 PM

Yeah, dude I actually know you from GC.com(SUB-GEN). I was saving up for the GC too but wanted to drive and see the FT-86 before buying a car and possibly regretting it.

Burrcold · 02-23-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Yeah, dude I actually know you from GC.com(SUB-GEN). I was saving up for the GC too but wanted to drive and see the FT-86 before buying a car and possibly regretting it.

That's where I know you from as well! I assumed it was you, but then I saw "RSX" as your car...so it threw me off.

linkwpc · 02-23-2011, 05:22 PM

Damn! I wanted to see the subaru model!! Damn.. Oh wait again........

ichitaka05 · 02-23-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I know about car cycles, my only gripe is Toyota has created a second body yet Subaru doesn't even have one yet and they both started working on them the same time. We have seen the mis-matched body now for a good two years testing.

Subaru rarely put out concept cars out. Most of the time 6 months ~ 2 yrs range for before they put it out on production. Recent example would be new Legacy. Legacy concept was unveiled in NY IAS (iirc) and less than yr later new Legacy came out.

so I'm betting that, real Subie ver won't be seeing til next yr.

Rome · 02-24-2011, 05:30 PM

Probably already posted, like the last time I tried, lol but here goes! This seams to go against the Skeleton only idea.

cyde01 · 02-24-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rome

Probably already posted, like the last time I tried, lol but here goes! This seams to go against the Skeleton only idea.

Rome · 02-24-2011, 05:49 PM

LOL, thanks I thought so, I will just continue to lurk from now on.

Just realized that's the Impreza Concept isn't it?

02-23-2011, 03:02 PM	#15
Burrcold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,624 Thanks: 763 Thanked 1,586 Times in 776 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Matador is correct. I actually work in new model development for the largest parts supplier in the world. I have seen a few 3 year (total) development cycles, but they are very rare. 4-5 years is about right (from initial concept to SOP). When I say concept, I'm not talking about the physical concept vehicle, I'm talking literal concept. It all really depends on how many parts can be carried over from other projects, or previous years. __________________

02-23-2011, 03:23 PM	#18
Burrcold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,624 Thanks: 763 Thanked 1,586 Times in 776 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I will guarentee you that the body for both have been established already (assuming they are in fact coming out this year). Even if they were to do in-house stamping for body panels, the tooling time required would be at least 1.5 years. __________________

02-23-2011, 05:22 PM	#24
linkwpc Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Drives: 2010 camaro SS Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Damn! I wanted to see the subaru model!! Damn.. Oh wait again........ __________________ The punching cat! Drives: 2010 Camaro SS, 2008 Forester XT, 2000 Mustang.

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DantKR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Drives: Subaru BRZ LT Location: NC Posts: 759 Thanks: 7 Thanked 124 Times in 71 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I never said Matador was wrong nor questioned him. What I asked was if it has actually been in development for 3 years or if that's how long we've known about it.

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Rome Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: DC5-S Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	LOL, thanks I thought so, I will just continue to lurk from now on. Just realized that's the Impreza Concept isn't it?

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