TOYOTA - SUBARU Development "Team 86" summary...

[TPO]

Originally Posted by Prava

Mari0 hit the nail on the head. Moto-P does so much for this forum and the community in general. Moto-P deserves a special signature or member name or something

Hope to see this done by June 1st

[Exhaust]

And let this be the end of all "versus" sibling discussions! Cheers to Moto-P and his outstanding contributions as well as reasoning. You really are a great inspiration and truly are an asset to this community as a whole!

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by ydooby

Thank you Moto-P! Mind if I ask why these guys don't belong to any of the two companies?

I would think the chassis was developed by Subaru while the test driving was done by Toyota. No idea about the aftermarket planning though.

If you think like this, a car with this much integrity would never be born. This was a collaboration of both firms, sending their most passionate, and capable engineers into a separate and singular engineering program, not belonging to one or the other at any given time, but only belonging to the TEAM86.

The names I posted without origins of which firm is my lack of not being completely inside knowing them all in person. I don't know for sure at this time which company they originated. I have met Mr.Okino and he is from Toyota.

To us though, this is not important at this time, but only that they were there to do their share of taking a very key role in design of the FT86 siblings, for Toyota and Subaru both, a single product.
Ideas from both side's engineers and designers meshed and collaborated on the entire car.

Take for example the flat four engine. It is a Subaru engineered base design, but LFA's technicians, Aisin's drivetrain experts, 3rd party inputs, and Toyota's durability and testing as well as electronics experts, metallurgy experts, acoustic engineers, 3rd party test engineers, and drivers, all put unimaginable time and resources. This is not a case where Subaru engine was simply fitted with Toyota injection. No, it is MUCH more than that. And the same goes for almost every component on this car.

You will probably see a lot of similar components based on Subaru hardware, and yes it is manufactured by majority of the components based on their designs and suppliers, but this is because the manufacturing was assigned to FHI branch of the TEAM86.
It does go without saying though, that every component was reviewed, modified, re-engineered, and carefully pieced together so that FHI can push them out of the factory reliably, and quickly, and with as much care and integration that can afford the best balance of cost and performance, and to ensure that the spirit and goals were met on the passion of the vehicle, to retain it's very soul.
None of this is purely Subaru or Toyota. It's the singular entity of Team86, the best from both.

Originally Posted by quik1987

I still think Subaru gets under credited

If you think the Subaru side is under-credited, I'll say otherwise. The initial designation by Toyota's marketing branch called for the 4U-GSE engine designation, but they have since replaced this with the FA20 name for BOTH Toyota and Subaru product. This, to give Subaru the credit for it's heritage and long-dedication to the flat-four development on other cars up to now. The FA20 is nothing like the previous long-stroking, boost capable engine that was the EJ or even the FB, but something entirely different other than it being laid out in a Subaru configuration. But with respect to the engineering know, and accommodating every previously inconceivable and traditionally unthinkable requests and goals Mr.Tada set on this engine, and the massive allocations and resources put into revisions on this to match the goals from every firm that collaborated, by complete internal design make-over, the engine is truly dedicated to this car, by everyone at Team 86 who worked on the FA20, folks at FHI should be extremely proud to take it further in development than any previous Subaru engine...

If Toyota or Subaru's normal wallet-checking, financiers, and other commercial or marketing motives had their way in any way, the even simple things like mirrors on the door would have come from a Camry or a Impreza, but this isn't the case. Every minute detail was asked to be original, and that of TEAM86 creation. Impossible was not the excuse for Tada-san and his team. They dug where no one had dug within both firms to come up with creative ideas and revolutionary skills...

As time goes and if I ever have a chance to meet them all, I'll revise and correct the associations for their names.

[Moto-P]

Each of the respective marketing entities and product divisions Subaru, Toyota, and Scion, do have their own direction in where, and what they want, and need to be doing, to appeal to the general mass for the creation of massive demands and healthy future of the product.

However, for a car this deeply intrinsic in nature and design, I think the ultimate marketing will come from us.

Yes, we are the ones who will be the most influential on this car, and to assure the future of long product life-cycle.

Therefore, I don't think we can postulate and infer casually, and act more in appreciation, excitement, and gratification, that such awesome creation has been put forth to consumers, and that we need to embrace it and breathe a life into the BRZ/FRS/86 to gather, share, and enjoy it...and influence those who do not understand the deep passion and design goals about this automobile.

It's really, nothing like anything we've come to see in the recent past. It is a car they catered pin-point to driving enthusiasts. As such, I am sure each of the three entities in product marketing are all just as curious to see what we DO with it, and how we ENJOY it, and how we spend out lives WITH it, perhaps more than themselves knowing what they should do with us. So show them, thrill them, involve them, and dictate to them how much you love the FT86 siblings.
It's OUR TURN to pour the passion!

[Matador]

What becomes of TEAM86 after this project?

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by Matador

What becomes of TEAM86 after this project?

they disband and start up their own rogue teams... Team 68, Team 69, Team 87. or new car company called Team 86.

they just continue to work on future models within their company.

great story! i wish they come out with a Team86 book or coffee table book that chronicles the project from start to finish. i'm pretty sure a lot of owners would want it.

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

they disband and start up their own rogue teams... Team 68, Team 69, Team 87. or new car company called Team 86.

they just continue to work on future models within their company.

great story! i wish they come out with a Team86 book or coffee table book that chronicles the project from start to finish. i'm pretty sure a lot of owners would want it.

That'd be a collectors item! I'll take it:happy0180:

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Matador

What becomes of TEAM86 after this project?

Most of them are still hard at work, post-checking the product, partaking in races like Nurburgring VLN, creating accessories, helping with the marketing efforts, setting up new infrastructures like AREA86 dealerships, working with Polyphony Digital to integrate things, and generally all working towards the future assurance of participation and support for enthusiasts and 3rd party developments.

[Scooby]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Most of them are still hard at work, post-checking the product, partaking in races like Nurburgring VLN, creating accessories, helping with the marketing efforts, setting up new infrastructures like AREA86 dealerships, working with Polyphony Digital to integrate things, and generally all working towards the future assurance of participation and support for enthusiasts and 3rd party developments.

And working on the Convertible

[arbnpx]

T. Okamoto - New Engine Development Subaru

Are you sure about this? It might be a different Okamoto-san, but I was looking at the "86 Development Story" article, which had this quote:

Tada sought advice from Takamitsu Okamoto of the New Engine Development Division, who led engine development for the LFA. There was about three years left before the first vehicle was to roll off the production line at the time -- impossibly late in the game from the standpoint of the typical engine development timeline.

Takamitsu Okamoto
Engine Technology Development Advisor
New Engine Development Division, R&D Group 2

Okamoto: "I was asked how the engine could be made to develop 200 PS. But they also wanted good fuel efficiency. To generate 200 PS with a 2-liter, port-injected engine, you'd have to increase redline to at least 7,600 RPM. At the time, Subaru was considering a bore of about 84mm for its next-generation horizontally opposed engine; it would be difficult to get a large enough valve diameter to achieve 100 PS per liter with that configuration to begin with, even if you ran it at 7,600 rpm or higher. On the other hand, we had to lower the rpm to some extent to ensure good fuel efficiency, and if they wanted to provide performance at the same time, then our D-4S system was the most obvious choice. I also told them that they would have to increase the bore somewhat."

Another FT-86 fanboy bullet point: the chief engineer of the LFA engine worked on your car, and was the technical inspiration behind the decision to use D-4S.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by arbnpx

Are you sure about this? It might be a different Okamoto-san, but I was looking at the "86 Development Story" article, which had this quote:

Corrected. Thanks. (so many business cards on my desk...)

Oh and add K. Koganei too, for Translating that story from Japanese to English, that you read...

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Scooby

And working on the Convertible

Possibly that too. None of them will say... LOL!