Airaid intake?

[BC-Boy]

Originally Posted by s2d4

yeah, I know who that person is.
And guess what, it's been tested by everyone else to say something else.

And you really need to actually understand what you are saying, if reading over what I had summarised makes no sense to you and all you got from that just comes down to rich condition=less power (which is also known), not much else I can say since you just don't get it.

One last try I guess,
Why does MAF read more air than actual for airaid?

mafs on these cars only read 2 things, air flow / air temp. indirectly the airflow is used to calculate engine load , the airaid has a short spout that sucks hot air, but im sure one could leave the snorkel or mod it

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by BC-Boy

mafs on these cars only read 2 things, air flow / air temp. indirectly the airflow is used to calculate engine load , the airaid has a short spout that sucks hot air, but im sure one could leave the snorkel or mod it

So why would people buy this when it actually provides less air? To spend more money modding it? So they could rescale it to do what exactly?

[BC-Boy]

Originally Posted by s2d4

So why would people buy this when it actually provides less air? To spend more money modding it? So they could rescale it to do what exactly?

i want the grimspeed intake im sure it will be good

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by BC-Boy

i want the grimspeed intake im sure it will be good

Yes, probably the best decision made so far.

[BC-Boy]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Yes, probably the best decision made so far.

i went with delicious

[bakerr6]

Lets debunk the myths, one of the problems I have seen, along with others is that the ecu needs to relaern. I have a dyno plot showing I have had a 9hp and 3 ft/lb tq gain on mine, which is why I kept using it. Same dyno, same day,a bout 3h apart (I went and drove 150 miles to let the ecu relearn).

I do agree though, some people have not had the same results.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by BC-Boy

i went with delicious

Yes, much better than your previous selections.

[OjiGeorge]

I've got one in the Vancouver area that I will give away for free... if you're local shoot me a PM

[ntaphse]

Originally Posted by bakerr6

Lets debunk the myths, one of the problems I have seen, along with others is that the ecu needs to relaern. I have a dyno plot showing I have had a 9hp and 3 ft/lb tq gain on mine, which is why I kept using it. Same dyno, same day,a bout 3h apart (I went and drove 150 miles to let the ecu relearn).

I do agree though, some people have not had the same results.

Bingo, you let the ECU relearn and that's why you got an ACTUAL dyno reading.

You guys need to realize that all these dyno "shootouts" are swapping parts on the dyno with the car strapped down and doing back to back runs with zero relearning time on the ECU. It takes 50-75 miles for the LTFT to settle down when you make a change at the MAF.

Do you think a magazine or website who is getting free dyno time, or an enthusiast who is paying for the dyno out of their own pocket takes the time to go drive 50 miles between changes while the dyno sits there empty racking up an hourly bill? Nope.

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by ntaphse

Bingo, you let the ECU relearn and that's why you got an ACTUAL dyno reading.

You guys need to realize that all these dyno "shootouts" are swapping parts on the dyno with the car strapped down and doing back to back runs with zero relearning time on the ECU. It takes 50-75 miles for the LTFT to settle down when you make a change at the MAF.

Do you think a magazine or website who is getting free dyno time, or an enthusiast who is paying for the dyno out of their own pocket takes the time to go drive 50 miles between changes while the dyno sits there empty racking up an hourly bill? Nope.

yea I was fortunate enough to have a dyno day where I had 3 pulls for $60. I used 3 pulls for stock run, swapped and came back after taking a nice brisk drive and did 3 pulls with the airaid.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by ntaphse

Bingo, you let the ECU relearn and that's why you got an ACTUAL dyno reading.

You guys need to realize that all these dyno "shootouts" are swapping parts on the dyno with the car strapped down and doing back to back runs with zero relearning time on the ECU. It takes 50-75 miles for the LTFT to settle down when you make a change at the MAF.

Do you think a magazine or website who is getting free dyno time, or an enthusiast who is paying for the dyno out of their own pocket takes the time to go drive 50 miles between changes while the dyno sits there empty racking up an hourly bill? Nope.

And you do realize that other people other than drift-office had lost power on the dyno that were actual customers right? It wasnt just drift-office that lost power, lots of independent customers lost power also after they found out from drift-office that they lost power.

Even though they just changed the part while it was strapped down, it still gives you a good idea of what you should expect from the part. Having the ecu relearn everything wont make that big of a difference. If the part loses power on the dyno it isnt going to magically make it gain 6-7 whp after losing that amount in the first place.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by bakerr6

yea I was fortunate enough to have a dyno day where I had 3 pulls for $60. I used 3 pulls for stock run, swapped and came back after taking a nice brisk drive and did 3 pulls with the airaid.

Did you have any other mods? I see you had an OFT or a tune of some sort in your previous posts also. If you had a tune then that could be why with any other intake you probably would have gotten better gains if you had a tune. Any other intake with a tune would of gotten 3-4 more whp based on the dyno's ive seen on this forum. So your still losing power that you could have if you had a different intake

One thing I noticed is people who dyno'd their car with a tune got gains with the airaid but not as much compared to other with other intakes. The point is that a stock car with the airaid intake lost power. I wouldnt put a part like that on my car even if I had a tune if it was losing power stock. Its obvious their is something wrong with how the part is designed so I wouldnt even bother using it with a tune and other mods.

Majority of people lost power with it. You are probably one of the few people who have said they didnt. 9 WHP is a lot to gain from just an intake, I havent seen any intake get that much by it self. The most was 5-6 whp depending on the company and it really depends on the conditions of day you had it dyno'd too. The design it self already has a flaw and sucks in engine heat. No one Ive seen on these forums have gotten more than 5-7 whp with an intake on a stock car unless they had a tune. If you had 9 whp with a tune then that is low IMO because with a tune on other cars with an intake ive seen it go 10-15 whp

And based on your posts on this forum it seems like you did have a tune. I have a hard time believing you had 9 whp just from the airaid intake it self. A tune changes everything. If you got 9 with a tune then any other intake would of put out better numbers. So in the end you are still losing power, the tune just fixes it a slightly. After a tune though most intake gains stock cant really be compared anymore as IMO the tune basically opens up the car as it should of been from the factory and with how little intakes add after tuning that shows you how much toyota was restricting the engine as the stock air box was already a good design which is why i would go with a snorkel. If you look at snorkel dyno's you will see some cars are losing power without a tune. With a tune its a completely different story.

When Perrin developed their intake they said other intakes they tested werent that great and lost power. This was around the time when their was only a few intakes around. And you could easily see which one they were talking about based on what was out. Their was only a handful of intakes around and at that time the only company that lost power that released an intake was airaid.

[bakerr6]

To answer your question, no I did not have a tune at that time. I never had it dyno'd when it was tuned unfortunately, nor did I run oft with stock and airaid for comparison. I really wish I did though so I could see the difference

[ntaphse]

Originally Posted by FR-Sizzle

Even though they just changed the part while it was strapped down, it still gives you a good idea of what you should expect from the part. Having the ecu relearn everything wont make that big of a difference. If the part loses power on the dyno it isnt going to magically make it gain 6-7 whp after losing that amount in the first place.

Please go read up on STFT and LTFT before posting inaccurate info like this.