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Maritime Storm · 04-23-2014, 06:36 AM

TGMO is Mobil. All of Toyota's lubricants are sourced from Exxon/Mobil.

wparsons · 04-23-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Maritime Storm

TGMO is Mobil. All of Toyota's lubricants are sourced from Exxon/Mobil.

Just because it comes from a Mobil factory doesn't mean it's the same as the Mobil 1 you can buy off the shelf.

Maritime Storm · 04-24-2014, 06:14 AM

Actually the Mobil engineer I spoke with tells me it is. The TGMO 0W20 is Mobil's Advanced Fuel Economy to be technical, the conventional oils are Mobil Super. Transmission fluids are unique to Toyota specs. Never turn down a technical trade conference oppurtunity, you'd be surprised what information you pick by talking to a Tribologist. In North America their is no legal definition of what is allowed to be marketed as a synthetic oil. Base oil groups are what you should be looking for synthetics generally into one of 3 categories, Group 3,4,5. Groups 3 start off as petroleum base stock then are refined to degree. 4 is PAO base stock. Mobil's super synthetics are a group 4 base as some others, some are Group 3 as are almost all conventional oils. Some are a blend of 3 & 4. Group 5's are the real interesting stuff, they are not crude oil bases. Some conventional oils will outperform some synthetics, the issue as by now your beginning to see is rather murky. European nations long ago set legal definitions as to what is a synthetic oil, what standards is has to meet to marketed as such, that why some products are marketed in Europe as a conventional oil and sold to us as a synthetic.

Simon99 · 04-24-2014, 06:42 AM

Amsoil ? 65$ for a pack of 12

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krayzie · 04-24-2014, 07:14 AM

I believe there is no Group 3 0W-20 oil so they should be all 100% Full Synthetic. The Subaru 0W-20 is by Idemitsu and it's not the same formulation as the one for Mazda.

For example, Castrol Syntec sold at VW/Audi stealers here is Group 3 (they went to Castrol EDGE when the higher output 2.0T came here so not sure if this is still Group 3 <cough> not enough ZDDP / cam follower failure causing <cough> oil), Motul 8100 is PAO base stock which is Group 4, Motul 300V is ester base stock which is Group 5.

I know for a fact that Mobil 1 off the shelf here is not the same Mobil 1 stuff you get in Europe from Porsche dealers.

From http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...opics/950311/1:

"There was not and never has been any suit AT LAW regarding the use of the term "synthetic" for Group III base oil, and no court or ALJ has made a ruling on this matter. Mobil simply filed a complaint with the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau in the US claiming that Castrol was engaging in false advertising by calling Syntec "full synthetic" since it was now being made with Group III base oil. Castrol was able to present enough "evidence" to convince the NAD that Group III base oil could legitimately be called synthetic, so they rulled in Castrol's favor. This ruling has no "legal" standing. It merely means that as far as the NAD is concerned, an oil company is not falsely advertising an oil as "full synthetic" if that oil is made from Group III base oil."

Brahsbrah · 04-24-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon99

Amsoil ? 65$ for a pack of 12

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Link??

Simon99 · 04-25-2014, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brahsbrah

Link??

Amsoil website with preferred program. OE amsoil (basic synthetic)

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that_guy · 04-25-2014, 01:41 PM

^I run the SS in my car. It's got great specs for the mild weekend racer.

We run the OE in all our other cars. Great oil.

Brahsbrah · 04-25-2014, 07:57 PM

I've been looking at motul 300 for my tranny and dif... Looks like you basically have to pay 100 plus shipping for 4L in Canada...

Alak · 04-25-2014, 11:04 PM

The toyota dealer here sells that stuff over the counter (motul).

04-24-2014, 07:14 AM	#19
krayzie Drive From Home Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: BRZ STI Performance Location: Filth City Posts: 4,912 Thanks: 2,368 Thanked 3,111 Times in 2,007 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I believe there is no Group 3 0W-20 oil so they should be all 100% Full Synthetic. The Subaru 0W-20 is by Idemitsu and it's not the same formulation as the one for Mazda. For example, Castrol Syntec sold at VW/Audi stealers here is Group 3 (they went to Castrol EDGE when the higher output 2.0T came here so not sure if this is still Group 3 <cough> not enough ZDDP / cam follower failure causing <cough> oil), Motul 8100 is PAO base stock which is Group 4, Motul 300V is ester base stock which is Group 5. I know for a fact that Mobil 1 off the shelf here is not the same Mobil 1 stuff you get in Europe from Porsche dealers. From http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...opics/950311/1: "There was not and never has been any suit AT LAW regarding the use of the term "synthetic" for Group III base oil, and no court or ALJ has made a ruling on this matter. Mobil simply filed a complaint with the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau in the US claiming that Castrol was engaging in false advertising by calling Syntec "full synthetic" since it was now being made with Group III base oil. Castrol was able to present enough "evidence" to convince the NAD that Group III base oil could legitimately be called synthetic, so they rulled in Castrol's favor. This ruling has no "legal" standing. It merely means that as far as the NAD is concerned, an oil company is not falsely advertising an oil as "full synthetic" if that oil is made from Group III base oil." Last edited by krayzie; 04-24-2014 at 07:29 AM.

04-25-2014, 01:41 PM	#22
that_guy Dances with Cones Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Raven Location: Barrie, ON Posts: 482 Thanks: 55 Thanked 222 Times in 122 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^I run the SS in my car. It's got great specs for the mild weekend racer. We run the OE in all our other cars. Great oil. __________________ 2013 Scion FR-S - Raven 2011 Scion tC - Cement - SOLD

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Alak Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: 2014 FR-S Monogram Location: Canada Posts: 22 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The toyota dealer here sells that stuff over the counter (motul). __________________ Calgary, Canada 2014 FR-S Monogram 1988 Mazda RX7 10AE ~ Fully Built and Ridiculous 2006 F350 Diesel ~ 500HP or something like that.

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