Lexus developing million dollar super car - report

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The Viper ACR is a 1/4 of the price of a LFA and it has the #1 time at the ring ahead of a LFA. Your point?

Why you don't complain about 1/10 price Viper is faster than Veyron? Because it's a Japanese brand, not a German or Italian, so you like to bash it?

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I like where this is going. Proceed, give into your hate.... ha.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Dark

Why you don't complain about 1/10 price Viper is faster than Veyron? Because it's a Japanese brand, not a German or Italian, so you like to bash it?

Because this thread is about the LFA and not German or Italian cars...? You're seriously calling someone out on an FT-86 forum for being prejudiced towards Japanese cars?

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Originally Posted by Longhorn248

Because this thread is about the LFA and not German or Italian cars...? You're seriously calling someone out on an FT-86 forum for being prejudiced towards Japanese cars?

Who knows? Too much hate on Lexus making supercar on internet.
The threat is about Lexus making another supercar, not LFA.
I believe the Nur spec ran on the ring using summer tires not a semi racing tires like ACR. Lexus can easily put the same spec tire as Viper ACR, but it's a luxury brand, the buyers want more comfortable ride. 80% of LFA owners are not likely to drive on a track.

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If Toyota would build a supercar right around the $100k mark I'd seriously look into buying one. I know that the GT-R is one helluva a car, but I've driven one and it didn't do a thing for me. I think the biggest part was the way it looked. It just didn't get my blood going like an R8 does or some of the other cars out there. Sure, they don't perform as good as a GT-R, but my life doesn't revolve around "ring" times.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

Because this thread is about the LFA and not German or Italian cars...? You're seriously calling someone out on an FT-86 forum for being prejudiced towards Japanese cars?

I find it funny as I despise American cars for the most part. I grew up bias to Japanese sporty cars but some American cars and even Korean have been changing and becoming better.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dark

Who knows? Too much hate on Lexus making supercar on internet.
The threat is about Lexus making another supercar, not LFA.
I believe the Nur spec ran on the ring using summer tires not a semi racing tires like ACR. Lexus can easily put the same spec tire as Viper ACR, but it's a luxury brand, the buyers want more comfortable ride. 80% of LFA owners are not likely to drive on a track.

I don't hate on Lexus for doing this. I just saw your post as "since it has one of the best lap times on the Ring the LFA is worth it over more expensive cars". But I feel if that was the case the Viper ACR should cost 500k. My point is lap times doesn't necessarily determine price.

And also the Veyron isn't worth its coin IMO. I would rather have a LFA instead.

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Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

If Toyota would build a supercar right around the $100k mark I'd seriously look into buying one. I know that the GT-R is one helluva a car, but I've driven one and it didn't do a thing for me. I think the biggest part was the way it looked. It just didn't get my blood going like an R8 does or some of the other cars out there. Sure, they don't perform as good as a GT-R, but my life doesn't revolve around "ring" times.

I think voice president of Lexus hinted that LF-LC is coming into production. It will likely use hybrid powertrain that might share with Supra successor (if there will be one.)

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't hate on Lexus for doing this. I just saw your post as "since it has one of the best lap times on the Ring the LFA is worth it over more expensive cars". But I feel if that was the case the Viper ACR should cost 500k. My point is lap times doesn't necessarily determine price.

That's why I extended my idea by saying they are developing new technologies for the car that will tickled down to the whole lineup. It also makes people view Lexus differently because in the past, Lexus is known for making reliable bland cars only. Laptime is just one of a reason why better performance on paper doesn't mean it's faster and more expensive.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Dark

That's why I extended my idea by saying they are developing new technologies for the car that will tickled down to the whole lineup.

I think trickle down could be argued in either direction. On one hand they probably were able to figure out stuff like great steering feel that could be applied to any car, but on the other hand most of the money was going into some exotic carbon fiber stuff that will pretty much never see the light of day again.

They could be attempting to do major research in electric stuff though, which I suppose is useful, but the higher budget could mean that all the stuff will be hand assembled or something and thus not very applicable to production cars.

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Originally Posted by serialk11r

I think trickle down could be argued in either direction. On one hand they probably were able to figure out stuff like great steering feel that could be applied to any car, but on the other hand most of the money was going into some exotic carbon fiber stuff that will pretty much never see the light of day again.

They could be attempting to do major research in electric stuff though, which I suppose is useful, but the higher budget could mean that all the stuff will be hand assembled or something and thus not very applicable to production cars.

Sure, we're not going to see carbon fiber in a 30K CT or 32K IS, but we might see carbon fiber in the high performance models like F cars. It's also a good idea for Lexus to use carbon fiber for what they are developing, hybrid sportcar. I still think that Lexus didn't lose anything building each LFA. In an accounting view, they lost millions, but if they made new techs just to use in 40K or 60K cars without making LFA, it would cost them more.

[serialk11r]

I don't think so, the key to carbon fiber trickling down should be a more automated process, and I don't think they broke much ground there.

Drivetrain is again not anything new (why didn't they make it 7 speed gearbox? :/) either. I wonder if they figured something out as far as low speed combustion stability goes seeing how the engine revs so high, but I think I'm probably just forgetting something simple.

A new hybrid supercar like I said would possibly give them more experience with electric drive but as far as motor controllers go there's not much to mess with, battery (and energy storage in general) tech isn't going to just radically change, and motors are going to be cost limited on lower end models.

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Originally Posted by serialk11r

I don't think so, the key to carbon fiber trickling down should be a more automated process, and I don't think they broke much ground there.

Drivetrain is again not anything new (why didn't they make it 7 speed gearbox? :/) either. I wonder if they figured something out as far as low speed combustion stability goes seeing how the engine revs so high, but I think I'm probably just forgetting something simple.

A new hybrid supercar like I said would possibly give them more experience with electric drive but as far as motor controllers go there's not much to mess with, battery (and energy storage in general) tech isn't going to just radically change, and motors are going to be cost limited on lower end models.

They do have 8 speed on IS-F and RX F sport. I think GS F sport will get 8 speed next year or mid life refresh and new IS F sport too will get the same gear box. However, too many gears for me. Good that it's an AT, not MT.
We're not sure what is the next supercar they are developing. As for motor experience, I think Yamaha gain more than Toyota/Lexus here.

Like I said, techs and experience about handling, seat position and little small things are the only things will be tickle down to down market models. F cars are more likely to get most of the experience, but.... they are expensive...

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