stock tires

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Swap them out for some good performance summer rubber if your weather permits and prepare to be impressed. The average driver may not notice how uninspiring these tires are until theyve tried something worth while.

Good thought. However, if I had better tires (stickier) and went around corners any faster than I do now, I'm afeared I would "lose" my co-pilot for good .....

humfrz

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by chulooz

wut?

I take it your new to cars?

Or your just being an asshole?

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I take it your new to cars?

Or your just being an asshole?

Dont suggest Im new to cars when you are the one making things up about too much grip from rubber.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Dont suggest Im new to cars when you are the one making things up about too much grip from rubber.

You seriously think there's no such thing as too much grip?

[#944_10_Series_FRS]

The Michelin pilot power tire on my R1 last 4,000 miles. What do you think the grip would be?

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by dem00n

You seriously think there's no such thing as too much grip?

There is such a thing as tires that are too wide for cars. But too much grip from sticky tire compounds is not an actual problem. Why dont you show us all some figures or research on this claim for too much grip? If its as obvious as you make it out to be Im sure it wont take you long.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by chulooz

There is such a thing as tires that are too wide for cars. But too much grip from sticky tire compounds is not an actual problem. Why dont you show us all some figures or research on this claim for too much grip? If its as obvious as you make it out to be Im sure it wont take you long.

Research?

What am i the founder of understeer and oversteer?


I'll humor you, lets take it in baby steps.

Why are these mediocre passenger tires doing a on a car like the Scion FRS and BRZ?

Easy, the tires break traction at low speeds, which allows lots of oversteer fun without the need of too much power at the wheels, etc.

What happens when you put a more "sticky" tire on the FRS? Say the Super sports or goodyear F1's? The ability to break the tires at lower speed is lessen, you will have too much grip to do so. Can you break traction? Of course, but for most drivers it'll lead to them doing so at dangerous speeds that if they do lose control, the factors could be far more worse and deadly.

Remember, this car is biased to oversteer in its factory set up.

I'm not talking about track days here, i'm talking about street driving.

[jshadeck]

If u have more grip than u can use, u are reducing ur acceleration (rolling resistance) and mpg. Dont believe me? Take two identical frs, one on stocks, and another on wide race slicks (same weight though) and drag race them... Ull see. If there was no such thing as "too much" then why dont all supercars come with 400 width r compound tires on all corners? Lol

[dem00n]

There is a thing called proper slip angle (black magic) which for some cars can be affected by too much grip. Though i have yet to see proof on our cars for anyone running 215's and r comps of problems with that.

I think some Miatas had that problem...i have no idea its been a while since i browsed the good ol' MX-5 forums.

[Ocala FR-S]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Research?

What am i the founder of understeer and oversteer?


I'll humor you, lets take it in baby steps.

Why are these mediocre passenger tires doing a on a car like the Scion FRS and BRZ?

Easy, the tires break traction at low speeds, which allows lots of oversteer fun without the need of too much power at the wheels, etc.

What happens when you put a more "sticky" tire on the FRS? Say the Super sports or goodyear F1's? The ability to break the tires at lower speed is lessen, you will have too much grip to do so. Can you break traction? Of course, but for most drivers it'll lead to them doing so at dangerous speeds that if they do lose control, the factors could be far more worse and deadly.

Remember, this car is biased to oversteer in its factory set up.

I'm not talking about track days here, i'm talking about street driving.

The car is plain better on stickier tires. (Almost) everyone knows that.

[dem00n]

It goes through one ear and right out the other.

[Yellow13]

I run 235/40-18 Potenza RE760 Sport's. They are nice and sticky, but not overly sticky; love them to death. the car feels so much better and that extra inch in width makes a HUGE difference

[Ocala FR-S]

Originally Posted by dem00n

It goes through one ear and right out the other.

With nothing to slow it down on the way through.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by Ocala FR-S

With nothing to slow it down on the way through.

I'm talking about oversteer baby!

Of course most people on this forum are going to love and run the most sticky tire, because racecar.

But there is just something so enjoyable in finding the right tire that can give you those little baby oversteer when your leaving a corner. Just that little climax. I can't afford track days (student) but i can enjoy these little bits of oversteer which fuel my hooligan infested mind.

It's not porn, its HBO. Okay?