BRZ to run the ring?

[Shavenyak]

I don't even think 0-60 is that important, unless you're a drag racer. I plan to auto-x the car, so a good metric for me would be 2nd gear acceleration out of slow corners. Maybe 20-50mph or so.

[brewksy]

Originally Posted by Shavenyak

I don't even think 0-60 is that important, unless you're a drag racer. I plan to auto-x the car, so a good metric for me would be 2nd gear acceleration out of slow corners. Maybe 20-50mph or so.

That's the problem with most magazine racing: you get metrics that don't matter.

45-65mph "passing"? Are there a lot of 45mph two-lane highways that require this kind of passing? In Canada we have 80kph freeways but they're always at least double lanes in each direction, and we have 100kph two-lane highways which would require 60mph+ passing.

0-60 mph? Since when are you ever accelerating from 0-60mph (0-100kph) on a *regular* basis? Maybe on the rare highway merge after a stop sign? Even drag strips run a distance-test, not a speed test (1/4 mile, 1/8 mile, etc.), so again the metric is fairly useless.

This also makes it obvious why it'll be difficult to market the BRZ - it doesn't blow us away with these metrics. I definitely hope the car is still successful, but magazine metrics definitely don't show even a fraction of the story.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by brewksy

My BRZ STI? Add lightness, forget the engine. Leave the changles subtle, forget the ground effects, 22 fancy emblems, and keep it low key.

Wrong thread. Should post that in here : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2630

[brewksy]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Wrong thread. Should post that in here : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2630

Ridiculous. I POST IT WHEREEVER I DAMN WELL PLEASE and then get people like you to cross-link it properly.



/sarcasm

[Enemies]

Tranzformer, you a cop irl? You seem to like to tell people what to do. :P

[neutron256]

Originally Posted by Enemies

Tranzformer, you a cop irl? You seem to like to tell people what to do. :P

+1

[Shavenyak]

Originally Posted by Enemies

Tranzformer, you a cop irl? You seem to like to tell people what to do. :P

Dunno, but it looks like Brewksy might be

[blu_]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I don't know about a ton but I guess its more technical there. Either way, that track isn't a great way to to measure the performance of a sports car. IMO its less valuable than things like 0-60

I don't think its the end all be all but I think its definitely more representive of a cars overall performance than 0 to 60. I'm surprised you said this considering you know what a miata can do.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by blu_

I don't think its the end all be all but I think its definitely more representive of a cars overall performance than 0 to 60. I'm surprised you said this considering you know what a miata can do.

the only reason i say that is because there are so many more variables over the course of a 13 mile track with hundreds of corners than a simple 0-60. im not saying its more important, im just saying that it usually a more accurate description of the car objectively. nurburg speaks much more about the driver and his luck on that day than anything other measuring stick we like to use with cars

[blu_]

Fair point. I see what you are saying.

[feedbag]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Wrong thread. Should post that in here : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2630

tranzformer if they wanted you to be a mod you'd be one.

[Draco-REX]

Except that 0-60 quantifies only a single aspect of a car, and a very narrow one at that. It also has absolutely no bearing on a car's handling. A track time is a better overall measure of the total handling package.

It's unfortunate that ring times are not directly comparable however. Traffic and a lack of any standards on timekeeping or car setup makes them useless. I find it interesting that one of the more standardized track comparisons across multiple models is on an entertainment show. :P

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I don't know about a ton but I guess its more technical there. Either way, that track isn't a great way to to measure the performance of a sports car. IMO its less valuable than things like 0-60

I'd have to disagree with this idea. 0-60 is arguably a far more inferior yardstick when it comes to overall performance of a *sports car* than ability at Nurburgring is. A car that does 0-60 in 4 seconds can do absolutely horrible at a race track, and a car that does 0-60 in 8 seconds can do absolutely fantastic at that same track - if it's handling and traction are superb.

Note, I've done Nurburgring over several days in a STI and an EVO for a back to back comparison, and that's just an incredibly difficult drive with the pucker factor dialed to 11. It also showed me better than any other track I've been on how "real-world" suspension tuning does have certain advantages over "track" suspension tuning.

Here's the actual issue - using only a "fast time" as an be-all, do-all objective measure of a sports car performance really only works for magazine stat racing. If it was really all that was necessary, then there would be no need for drive reports and reviews. Just go buy a car with the best times and that's it. Driver involvement, feedback, sheer fun to drive all would not matter.

Regards,

Paul Hansen
www.avoturboworld.com
www.facebook.com/BRZSportsCarClub

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

I'd have to disagree with this idea. 0-60 is arguably a far more inferior yardstick when it comes to overall performance of a *sports car* than ability at Nurburgring is. A car that does 0-60 in 4 seconds can do absolutely horrible at a race track, and a car that does 0-60 in 8 seconds can do absolutely fantastic at that same track - if it's handling and traction are superb.

Note, I've done Nurburgring over several days in a STI and an EVO for a back to back comparison, and that's just an incredibly difficult drive with the pucker factor dialed to 11. It also showed me better than any other track I've been on how "real-world" suspension tuning does have certain advantages over "track" suspension tuning.

Here's the actual issue - using only a "fast time" as an be-all, do-all objective measure of a sports car performance really only works for magazine stat racing. If it was really all that was necessary, then there would be no need for drive reports and reviews. Just go buy a car with the best times and that's it. Driver involvement, feedback, sheer fun to drive all would not matter.

Regards,

Paul Hansen
www.avoturboworld.com
www.facebook.com/BRZSportsCarClub

i understand how driving there and tuning a car there can be good things but that isnt what is happening. people are just running around looking at these times. im just saying that these times are more subjective than people tend to treat them