Toyota (Akio Toyoda) Testimonies

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by Lexicon101

Regardless of his oversight, this really isn't relevant to the FT-86 in the way you posted it. This is about existing Toyota vehicles, and the reputation of Toyota Motor Co., not about the FT-86 specifically.

Edit: o_o Where'd they go?

It might not be relevant but I'm sure that people will still remember this down the road, regardless if they fix it or not. It's just human nature. I really hope they overcome this though.

[OldSkoolToys]

Wow, come on guys.

Justice is only justified if the judging party is completely unbiased. Thats why we have a court system, to take disputes between two biased parties (defendant and plaintiff) to a completely neutral party with no allegiance, save the public (judge).

1) The Government practically controls GM and Chrysler
2) The nation is facing its hugest debt deficit ever, in history, period
3) The current Executive administration and Congress Majority aren't exactly known for NOT spending even more money ontop of this.
4) The automotive industry is a huge money-bank, and the more GM and Chrysler make, the more money the Government will get.
5) All of the current high spending activities are based off the assumption that the economy will recover to much higher levels in a short period of time, ergo offsetting the spending via tax intakes.
6) One HUGE way to get the economy back rolling? Investing in American automobiles.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but sometimes shit's just way to coincidental to sick back and go "huh, well, gee, isn't that just wierd!"

Fuck all of this bullshit. I'm buying Toyota (or Ford, if I buy American) until the end of my days (inb4 yu'll dae from not bbeing able to brake! lololol). GM and Chrysler will never see a dime of money, not until the Government has absolutely 0% stake in both. Even after that, I never cared for either anyways.

You say you get mad that car companies try to cover up problems without rectifying them? You think GM is any better? Ford? Chrysler? I'm not quite that naive.

The Big 3 made POS's from the late 70's all the way to 2000. Not EVERY model, but a majority.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Wow, come on guys.

Justice is only justified if the judging party is completely unbiased. Thats why we have a court system, to take disputes between two biased parties (defendant and plaintiff) to a completely neutral party with no allegiance, save the public (judge).

1) The Government practically controls GM and Chrysler
2) The nation is facing its hugest debt deficit ever, in history, period
3) The current Executive administration and Congress Majority aren't exactly known for NOT spending even more money ontop of this.
4) The automotive industry is a huge money-bank, and the more GM and Chrysler make, the more money the Government will get.
5) All of the current high spending activities are based off the assumption that the economy will recover to much higher levels in a short period of time, ergo offsetting the spending via tax intakes.
6) One HUGE way to get the economy back rolling? Investing in American automobiles.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but sometimes shit's just way to coincidental to sick back and go "huh, well, gee, isn't that just wierd!"

Fuck all of this bullshit. I'm buying Toyota (or Ford, if I buy American) until the end of my days (inb4 yu'll dae from not bbeing able to brake! lololol). GM and Chrysler will never see a dime of money, not until the Government has absolutely 0% stake in both. Even after that, I never cared for either anyways.

You say you get mad that car companies try to cover up problems without rectifying them? You think GM is any better? Ford? Chrysler? I'm not quite that naive.

The Big 3 made POS's from the late 70's all the way to 2000. Not EVERY model, but a majority.

[chulooz]

yes.... it is upsetting that Toyota tries to cover up this problem without rectifying it. I dont care if GM made rolling shit at least those are not putting people in danger, no other car company has faced accusations comparable to this. Although I would agree with the idea that there is a good chance of some conspiracy within this.

Oh and I just have to say that Justice(while it may not be perfect) in the legal system is the final verdict of the courts.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by chulooz

yes.... it is upsetting that Toyota tries to cover up this problem without rectifying it. I dont care if GM made rolling shit at least those are not putting people in danger, no other car company has faced accusations comparable to this. Although I would agree with the idea that there is a good chance of some conspiracy within this.

Oh and I just have to say that Justice(while it may not be perfect) in the legal system is the final verdict of the courts.

GM made the Fiero, which has a reputation for FIRE in the engine bay.
Don't act like nobody else has built anything dangerous.

Justice can't be served by a biased party, and the government OWNS companies that compete directly with Toyota. You must admit that you can't trust the government to be completely neutral on this.
If you don't doubt your government and question it, you've failed at being an American.
(Of course.. that's just the way I see it.. but... the founding fathers obviously also saw it that way, so.. I gotz homiez to back me up.)

[mike2100]

Originally Posted by chulooz

no other car company has faced accusations comparable to this.

I'd rather drive a car that accelerates unexpectedly (controllable) vs a car that has a chance to blow up when struck from behind (pinto, uncontrollable) or catch on fire (fiero, explorer?) or roll over from exploding tires (explorer).

In fact, wasn't the last major safety debacle in the late 90s with the exploder tires? Or was that the early naughties?

[Siriusly.Andrew]

And whats Safe about riding a mechanical contraption down the road at 75MPH?

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Wow, come on guys.

Justice is only justified if the judging party is completely unbiased. Thats why we have a court system, to take disputes between two biased parties (defendant and plaintiff) to a completely neutral party with no allegiance, save the public (judge).

1) The Government practically controls GM and Chrysler
2) The nation is facing its hugest debt deficit ever, in history, period
3) The current Executive administration and Congress Majority aren't exactly known for NOT spending even more money ontop of this.
4) The automotive industry is a huge money-bank, and the more GM and Chrysler make, the more money the Government will get.
5) All of the current high spending activities are based off the assumption that the economy will recover to much higher levels in a short period of time, ergo offsetting the spending via tax intakes.
6) One HUGE way to get the economy back rolling? Investing in American automobiles.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but sometimes shit's just way to coincidental to sick back and go "huh, well, gee, isn't that just wierd!"

Fuck all of this bullshit. I'm buying Toyota (or Ford, if I buy American) until the end of my days (inb4 yu'll dae from not bbeing able to brake! lololol). GM and Chrysler will never see a dime of money, not until the Government has absolutely 0% stake in both. Even after that, I never cared for either anyways.

You say you get mad that car companies try to cover up problems without rectifying them? You think GM is any better? Ford? Chrysler? I'm not quite that naive.

The Big 3 made POS's from the late 70's all the way to 2000. Not EVERY model, but a majority.

I never said I was upset with Toyota. I said I hope they can overcome this by all means and I'm sure they eventually will. It's just that the majority of Americans will see this at face value and say "well I don't trust them anymore" and thus won't buy their product.

Maybe that wasn't directed at me and I'm just paranoid, dunno.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

I think your paranoid, Maybe you should take off your flame-suit? :P

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by mike2100

or catch on fire (fiero, Exploder?) or roll over from exploding tires (exploder).

fixed

Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Maybe that wasn't directed at me and I'm just paranoid, dunno.

its alright buddy the honda hate is over and you dont got to think everyone is against you anymore.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by mike2100

I'd rather drive a car that accelerates unexpectedly (controllable) vs a car that has a chance to blow up when struck from behind (pinto, uncontrollable) or catch on fire (fiero, explorer?) or roll over from exploding tires (explorer).

In fact, wasn't the last major safety debacle in the late 90s with the exploder tires? Or was that the early naughties?

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the rolling exploders!
Good catch.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

fixed

Agreed.