Do you think this car is going to have some problems?

[86'd]

To be honest it could go both ways. Toyota is pretty reliable, and even though Subaru did a lot of the engineering, you'd think that Toyota would still have to sign off on it.

Though like someone already said, this is a brand new car, with brand new systems on a platform that really hasn't been done by both companies for a long time, if at all. So a lot of things could go wrong.

I'm not too worried about ringland failure, but there may be some problems with the engine like the direct injection and all that.

But I think overall that it should be fine. IF I buy this year the car will be under warranty so....

[GED68]

Yes, you will experience rapid tire ware and burn more gas than normal ... within the first few months of ownership ;-)

[no_name]

This car has been in development for 5 years and it's all based off existing hardware. Plus, if there's a Toyota (Scion) or a Subaru badge on it, I have no concerns.

[(K)]

"I don't know what happened. It was fine for the first 1,000 miles. Now they're bald at 1,015. It just makes no sense."

From my limited experience with new cars, the first things that I notice aren't typically mechanical. They're usually cosmetic; a squeaky dash, some bad panel fitment, or maybe an LED bulb out somewhere. Rarely have I ever come across something major, the closest I've ever had was an AC pump giving out at 30,000 miles. Even then it was replaced under warranty. Will this car be problem-free? Highly doubt it. The only thing to do is track Toyota and Subaru's recall and TSB history on new cars just to get an idea of what to expect in terms of down time. Will it be something to worry about? Not much more than your average is what I would think.

[bambbrose]

Outside of the engine, the other major components are tried and true.

Transmission is the S2000 unit with modern updates, should be bulletproof for most use.

Rear end is NA MK4 Supra/ IS with the standard IS LSD (I had that same LSD in my Supra and love it).

Drivetrain should be set, so long as the motor works.

I think the biggest risk is the D4S. People may get intermittent misfire, fouled injectors, etc if the tuning isn't ideal.

[bFreed]

^ This

[LSxJunkie]

Yup. No first year is perfect. Will they be miniscule? Hopefully.

[Khyron686]

The big ones haven't really been strictly first year issues - they usually involve a 3rd party part which affects entire ranges. Ie, Porsche IMS, Audi/VW coils, Fords snapping sparkplugs and crappy manumatic, Chrysler grenading automatics, etc.

I think the bigger issue will be all the 2nd year tweaks/improvements they tend to do after having the cars in the wild for a year. Power increase, MPG increase - it doesn't take much to make the previous year resale take a bath.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

New platform, new engine, mish mash of parts between two manufacturers. Throw in direct injection which is very hard to get right in the best of times (ask Audi). Subaru's reliability with sporty cars hasn't exactly been stellar lately either (ringland issues, piston issues, wonky tuning).

Yes, there will be problems.

Although I called out some potential issues above, I'm not exactly predicting armageddon here. It should be in line with any other brand new sports car production. I would be shocked if it was any worse then say, the 2008 STI launch which had it's share of minor problems.

Considering the companies involved - Toyota and Subaru - the reliability reputation is on the better then average side. Although I wouldn't use Toyota's name on this project as a sign of reliability. All cars will be manufactured and assembled in a Subaru plant, with a Subaru engine. Subaru is decidedly more middle of the pack in terms of quality/reliability reputation then Toyota, but still quite good.

[SUB-FT86]

I remember the GC had small issues and one big issue. The manual tranny. But if you bought a automatic GC it was bulletproof on big problems.

[ichitaka05]

First car is always a scary... tbh, I'm not worrying too much about it. Base engine (FB20), I haven't heard much problem (so far) so hopefully FA20 will run strong too

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

Although I called out some potential issues above, I'm not exactly predicting armageddon here. It should be in line with any other brand new sports car production. I would be shocked if it was any worse then say, the 2008 STI launch which had it's share of minor problems.

Considering the companies involved - Toyota and Subaru - the reliability reputation is on the better then average side. Although I wouldn't use Toyota's name on this project as a sign of reliability. All cars will be manufactured and assembled in a Subaru plant, with a Subaru engine. Subaru is decidedly more middle of the pack in terms of quality/reliability reputation then Toyota, but still quite good.

Its hardly the middle from Subaru's perspective.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Its hardly the middle from Subaru's perspective.

JD Power paints a different picture.

Also the higher performance models are worse still. Sports cars manufactured by Toyota (MR2, Supra, Celica) I would say on a whole have a far better reliability and quality reputation then sports cars manufactured by Subaru (WRX, STI).

[86design]

of course its going to have some few small issues...its a brand new model!!! thats how every new model are...