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Giccin · 03-07-2012, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE

BLASPHEMY! lol

The only issue I have with this KONY movement is that it will just further our "WAR interests" on another country. It starts with "sending a few troops" and then starts an economic disaster War. It wouldn't be best AT THIS TIME to send our American troops to help aid another country, IMO.

Hopefully, those kids are liberated and free'd but its tough to swallow the fact Americans want to get involved in another "war."

Of course there are underline issues.

Zaku stated some really good points (I'm not arguing against. Yet.)

Anyways back to the video. I like how people are taking action. I don't like that people are bandwagon jumping.

cyde01 · 03-07-2012, 06:08 PM

well, this hardly got any media attention but we already have 100 special forces on the ground in uganda actively working with the ugandan military to track down and destroy the LRA. obama sent them there last year. we got really close to eliminating the LRA in 2009 but ugandan choppers were too noisy. it's sad that people don't hear about these issues until someone makes a viral facebook video. just one of the many human rights violations going on around the globe today.

edit: oops, looks like zaku beat me to it. i agree that not all of the world's problems should be the US's problem, but i also like MLK Jr's quote "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." we def shouldn't be going full force invading and intervening in any new conflicts (no $$, too many domestic problems at home, don't want my homies deployed anymore) but if there is a cost effective, pragmatic way for us to intervene i say we do it on a case by case basis. ie: no large scale invasions but an emphasis on special forces, intelligence, training local security forces, off shore balancing. drone warfare is controversial but is actually very effective, but costs $$.

ette · 03-07-2012, 06:24 PM

Couldn't agree with you more Zaku. There are still things going on that need to be taken care of. They aren't getting any easier and there needs to be a global awareness. And this is a biased opinion because of what I've been through over the last year, but it would break my heart to see America in a losing battle knowing that an increasing amount of soldiers might not come home.

cyde01 · 03-07-2012, 06:54 PM

quote from article:

"There are many reasons uninformed and oversimplified advocacy can cause trouble, and Siena Antsis catalogues some of them here, noting that Invisible Children expertly "commodifies white man's burden on the African continent." Buy a bracelet, soothe some guilt."

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...licated_things

quik1987 · 03-07-2012, 07:02 PM

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36hfqe/

RRnold · 03-07-2012, 07:17 PM

Zaku · 03-07-2012, 07:43 PM

Here is something. It gets the point across and has full sources to back things up.This was sent to me on my blog.

until I say something about it, so here goes:

Stop sending me that video.

The organization behind Kony 2012 — Invisible Children Inc. — is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called ”misleading,” “naive,” and “dangerous” by a Yale political science professor, and has been accused by Foreign Affairs of “manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes.” They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau’s standards.

Additionally, IC has a low two-star rating in accountability from Charity Navigator because they won’t let their financials be independently audited. That’s not a good thing. In fact, it’s a very bad thing, and should make you immediately pause and reflect on where the money you’re sending them is going.

By IC’s own admission, only 31% of all the funds they receive go toward actually helping anyone [pdf]. The rest go to line the pockets of the three people in charge of the organization, to pay for their travel expenses (over $1 million in the last year alone) and to fund their filmmaking business (also over a million) — which is quite an effective way to make more money, as clearly illustrated by the fact that so many can’t seem to stop forwarding their well-engineered emotional blackmail to everyone they’ve ever known.
And as far as what they do with that money:

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.

Let’s not get our lines crossed: The Lord’s Resistance Army is bad news. And Joseph Kony is a very bad man, and needs to be stopped. But propping up Uganda’s decades-old dictatorship and its military arm, which has been accused by the UN of committing unspeakable atrocities and itself facilitated the recruitment of child soldiers, is not the way to go about it.

The United States is already plenty involved in helping rout Kony and his band of psycho sycophants. Kony is on the run, having been pushed out of Uganda, and it’s likely he will soon be caught, if he isn’t already dead. But killing Kony won’t fix anything, just as killing Osama bin Laden didn’t end terrorism. The LRA might collapse, but, as Foreign Affairs points out, it is “a relatively small player in all of this — as much a symptom as a cause of the endemic violence.”
Myopically placing the blame for all of central Africa’s woes on Kony — even as a starting point — will only imperil many more people than are already in danger.

Sending money to a nonprofit that wants to muck things up by dousing the flames with fuel is not helping. Want to help? Really want to help? Send your money to nonprofits that are putting more than 31% toward rebuilding the region’s medical and educational infrastructure, so that former child soldiers have something worth coming home to.

Here are just a few of those charities. They all have a sparkling four-star rating from Charity Navigator, and, more importantly, no interest in airdropping American troops armed to the teeth into the middle of a multi-nation tribal war to help one madman catch another.

The bottom line is, research your causes thoroughly. Don’t just forward a random video to a stranger because a mass murderer makes a five-year-old “sad.” Learn a little bit about the complexities of the region’s ongoing strife before advocating for direct military intervention.

There is no black and white in the world. And going about solving important problems like there is just serves to make all those equally troubling shades of gray invisible.

[kony2012.]

7thgear · 03-07-2012, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyde01

pretty much the problem of modern society

RRnold · 03-07-2012, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaku

Here is something. It gets the point across and has full sources to back things up.This was sent to me on my blog.

until I say something about it, so here goes:

Stop sending me that video.

The organization behind Kony 2012 — Invisible Children Inc. — is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called ”misleading,” “naive,” and “dangerous” by a Yale political science professor, and has been accused by Foreign Affairs of “manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes.” They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau’s standards.

Additionally, IC has a low two-star rating in accountability from Charity Navigator because they won’t let their financials be independently audited. That’s not a good thing. In fact, it’s a very bad thing, and should make you immediately pause and reflect on where the money you’re sending them is going.

By IC’s own admission, only 31% of all the funds they receive go toward actually helping anyone [pdf]. The rest go to line the pockets of the three people in charge of the organization, to pay for their travel expenses (over $1 million in the last year alone) and to fund their filmmaking business (also over a million) — which is quite an effective way to make more money, as clearly illustrated by the fact that so many can’t seem to stop forwarding their well-engineered emotional blackmail to everyone they’ve ever known.
And as far as what they do with that money:

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending.

Let’s not get our lines crossed: The Lord’s Resistance Army is bad news. And Joseph Kony is a very bad man, and needs to be stopped. But propping up Uganda’s decades-old dictatorship and its military arm, which has been accused by the UN of committing unspeakable atrocities and itself facilitated the recruitment of child soldiers, is not the way to go about it.

The United States is already plenty involved in helping rout Kony and his band of psycho sycophants. Kony is on the run, having been pushed out of Uganda, and it’s likely he will soon be caught, if he isn’t already dead. But killing Kony won’t fix anything, just as killing Osama bin Laden didn’t end terrorism. The LRA might collapse, but, as Foreign Affairs points out, it is “a relatively small player in all of this — as much a symptom as a cause of the endemic violence.”
Myopically placing the blame for all of central Africa’s woes on Kony — even as a starting point — will only imperil many more people than are already in danger.

Sending money to a nonprofit that wants to muck things up by dousing the flames with fuel is not helping. Want to help? Really want to help? Send your money to nonprofits that are putting more than 31% toward rebuilding the region’s medical and educational infrastructure, so that former child soldiers have something worth coming home to.

Here are just a few of those charities. They all have a sparkling four-star rating from Charity Navigator, and, more importantly, no interest in airdropping American troops armed to the teeth into the middle of a multi-nation tribal war to help one madman catch another.

The bottom line is, research your causes thoroughly. Don’t just forward a random video to a stranger because a mass murderer makes a five-year-old “sad.” Learn a little bit about the complexities of the region’s ongoing strife before advocating for direct military intervention.

There is no black and white in the world. And going about solving important problems like there is just serves to make all those equally troubling shades of gray invisible.

[kony2012.]

EXACTLY!!!

just86 · 03-07-2012, 08:05 PM

could someone summary the video in one sentence please

Capt Canuck · 03-07-2012, 08:07 PM

^Bad shit goes on all over the world... always has, always will... sometimes people take note of it, sometimes they don't. Regardless, not much changes.

Happy Wednesday everyone!*

*This salutation not part of the video.

just86 · 03-07-2012, 08:43 PM

thanks, sounds interesting ill watch it when i have time

Guff · 03-07-2012, 08:45 PM

This is all nice and all. And I know Invisible Children is questionable...

But isn't it kind of sad that the majority of the American public didn't know about the LRA for 25 years but they'll know about a Pop-Tart Cat Riding on a Rainbow within a matter of days?

Oh the world we live in....

Capt Canuck · 03-07-2012, 09:09 PM

It has been a while since I read either of them, but if anyone is interested in a couple of well written and engrossing books about some African countries experiences with despots and war, I'd recommend the following:

http://www.amazon.com/Footsteps-Mr-K.../dp/0060934433
http://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Light.../dp/0713997478

03-07-2012, 06:08 PM	#16
cyde01 ft86club resident b-boy Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Yamaha R3, moonslate 2018 GT Black Location: LA Area So Cal Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 142 Thanked 208 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	well, this hardly got any media attention but we already have 100 special forces on the ground in uganda actively working with the ugandan military to track down and destroy the LRA. obama sent them there last year. we got really close to eliminating the LRA in 2009 but ugandan choppers were too noisy. it's sad that people don't hear about these issues until someone makes a viral facebook video. just one of the many human rights violations going on around the globe today. edit: oops, looks like zaku beat me to it. i agree that not all of the world's problems should be the US's problem, but i also like MLK Jr's quote "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." we def shouldn't be going full force invading and intervening in any new conflicts (no $$, too many domestic problems at home, don't want my homies deployed anymore) but if there is a cost effective, pragmatic way for us to intervene i say we do it on a case by case basis. ie: no large scale invasions but an emphasis on special forces, intelligence, training local security forces, off shore balancing. drone warfare is controversial but is actually very effective, but costs $$. Last edited by cyde01; 03-07-2012 at 06:38 PM.

03-07-2012, 06:24 PM	#17
ette the enforcer Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: MKV GTI Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 309 Thanks: 113 Thanked 148 Times in 87 Posts Mentioned: 65 Post(s)	Couldn't agree with you more Zaku. There are still things going on that need to be taken care of. They aren't getting any easier and there needs to be a global awareness. And this is a biased opinion because of what I've been through over the last year, but it would break my heart to see America in a losing battle knowing that an increasing amount of soldiers might not come home. __________________

03-07-2012, 06:54 PM	#18
cyde01 ft86club resident b-boy Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Yamaha R3, moonslate 2018 GT Black Location: LA Area So Cal Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 142 Thanked 208 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	quote from article: "There are many reasons uninformed and oversimplified advocacy can cause trouble, and Siena Antsis catalogues some of them here, noting that Invisible Children expertly "commodifies white man's burden on the African continent." Buy a bracelet, soothe some guilt." http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...licated_things Last edited by cyde01; 03-07-2012 at 07:11 PM.

03-07-2012, 07:17 PM	#20
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03-07-2012, 07:43 PM	#21
Zaku -Proud of Brzerhood- Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: '17 BRZ CWP LMT. Location: Maryland Posts: 4,153 Thanks: 2,717 Thanked 1,725 Times in 790 Posts Mentioned: 42 Post(s)	Here is something. It gets the point across and has full sources to back things up.This was sent to me on my blog. until I say something about it, so here goes: Stop sending me that video. The organization behind Kony 2012 — Invisible Children Inc. — is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called ”misleading,” “naive,” and “dangerous” by a Yale political science professor, and has been accused by Foreign Affairs of “manipulat[ing] facts for strategic purposes.” They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau’s standards. Additionally, IC has a low two-star rating in accountability from Charity Navigator because they won’t let their financials be independently audited. That’s not a good thing. In fact, it’s a very bad thing, and should make you immediately pause and reflect on where the money you’re sending them is going. By IC’s own admission, only 31% of all the funds they receive go toward actually helping anyone [pdf]. The rest go to line the pockets of the three people in charge of the organization, to pay for their travel expenses (over $1 million in the last year alone) and to fund their filmmaking business (also over a million) — which is quite an effective way to make more money, as clearly illustrated by the fact that so many can’t seem to stop forwarding their well-engineered emotional blackmail to everyone they’ve ever known. And as far as what they do with that money: The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money supports the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. These books each refer to the rape and sexual assault that are perennial issues with the UPDF, the military group Invisible Children is defending. Let’s not get our lines crossed: The Lord’s Resistance Army is bad news. And Joseph Kony is a very bad man, and needs to be stopped. But propping up Uganda’s decades-old dictatorship and its military arm, which has been accused by the UN of committing unspeakable atrocities and itself facilitated the recruitment of child soldiers, is not the way to go about it. The United States is already plenty involved in helping rout Kony and his band of psycho sycophants. Kony is on the run, having been pushed out of Uganda, and it’s likely he will soon be caught, if he isn’t already dead. But killing Kony won’t fix anything, just as killing Osama bin Laden didn’t end terrorism. The LRA might collapse, but, as Foreign Affairs points out, it is “a relatively small player in all of this — as much a symptom as a cause of the endemic violence.” Myopically placing the blame for all of central Africa’s woes on Kony — even as a starting point — will only imperil many more people than are already in danger. Sending money to a nonprofit that wants to muck things up by dousing the flames with fuel is not helping. Want to help? Really want to help? Send your money to nonprofits that are putting more than 31% toward rebuilding the region’s medical and educational infrastructure, so that former child soldiers have something worth coming home to. Here are just a few of those charities. They all have a sparkling four-star rating from Charity Navigator, and, more importantly, no interest in airdropping American troops armed to the teeth into the middle of a multi-nation tribal war to help one madman catch another. The bottom line is, research your causes thoroughly. Don’t just forward a random video to a stranger because a mass murderer makes a five-year-old “sad.” Learn a little bit about the complexities of the region’s ongoing strife before advocating for direct military intervention. There is no black and white in the world. And going about solving important problems like there is just serves to make all those equally troubling shades of gray invisible. [kony2012.] __________________ "The BRZ Section's fine wine" -Zgrinch

03-07-2012, 07:02 PM	#19
quik1987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Bugatti Veyron Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 141 Thanked 569 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s)	http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36hfqe/

03-07-2012, 08:05 PM	#24
just86 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 genesis rspec Location: IL Posts: 538 Thanks: 35 Thanked 151 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s)	could someone summary the video in one sentence please

03-07-2012, 08:07 PM	#25
Capt Canuck Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BMW E36 323is Location: Bay Area, NorCal Posts: 685 Thanks: 47 Thanked 72 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	^Bad shit goes on all over the world... always has, always will... sometimes people take note of it, sometimes they don't. Regardless, not much changes. Happy Wednesday everyone!* *This salutation not part of the video.

03-07-2012, 08:43 PM	#26
just86 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 genesis rspec Location: IL Posts: 538 Thanks: 35 Thanked 151 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s)	thanks, sounds interesting ill watch it when i have time

03-07-2012, 08:45 PM	#27
Guff Now w/ over 400 womprats! Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: BRZ LZR Location: Texas/Illinois Posts: 4,785 Thanks: 10,452 Thanked 3,420 Times in 1,424 Posts Mentioned: 301 Post(s)	This is all nice and all. And I know Invisible Children is questionable... But isn't it kind of sad that the majority of the American public didn't know about the LRA for 25 years but they'll know about a Pop-Tart Cat Riding on a Rainbow within a matter of days? Oh the world we live in.... __________________ "Sweet Subaru, sweet Subaru, send your BRZ unto me, for the roads of the unworthy must be baptized in speed and glory." - The Ancient BRZ Sacrament by Zaku

03-07-2012, 09:09 PM	#28
Capt Canuck Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BMW E36 323is Location: Bay Area, NorCal Posts: 685 Thanks: 47 Thanked 72 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	It has been a while since I read either of them, but if anyone is interested in a couple of well written and engrossing books about some African countries experiences with despots and war, I'd recommend the following: http://www.amazon.com/Footsteps-Mr-K.../dp/0060934433 http://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Light.../dp/0713997478

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