frs vs corvette (high planes raceway)

[charged86]

[Razz]

The Corvette driver wasn't that good.

A Vette will smoke you at the track.

He didn't know the limits of the Vette or wasn't able to respond to it when she suddenly spins out.

Not to mention it is a allot money to wreck those.

Get your head out of the sky.

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by Razz

The Corvette driver wasn't that good.

A Vette will smoke you at the track.

He didn't know the limits of the Vette or wasn't able to respond to it when she suddenly spins out.

Not to mention it is a allot money to wreck those.

Get your head out of the sky.

Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me ....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Dazza

Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me ....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html

I'm not convinced that those times mean much, at least not without knowing how they were measured (who was driving, track conditions). Also, note that that is the C5 (2 generations old) base Corvette, and it is still faster (29 seconds around the nordschleife, if you believe those times) by a significant margin.

[wrxgoose]

we need to get a real comparo. stig-like driver, one car than the other.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dazza

Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me ....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html

where do they get numbers from? this doesnt look very credible especially considering that the 1/4 mile time is off by a full second for the vette.

[schlomo]

Originally Posted by Dazza

Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me ....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html

You do realize comparos like these are meaningless. No statement of variables given. The 86 could easily beat a GTR with the right conditions and drivers

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by chrisl

I'm not convinced that those times mean much, at least not without knowing how they were measured (who was driving, track conditions). Also, note that that is the C5 (2 generations old) base Corvette, and it is still faster (29 seconds around the nordschleife, if you believe those times) by a significant margin.

Yes I know the C5 is two generations old but the OP suggested it was an older model....and 29 seconds in 8 minutes is the same as 5 seconds in a lap of 1:20 to 1:25 so still not inconsiderable, but the Ring does favour "power" more so than smaller tighter tracks

Originally Posted by wrxgoose

we need to get a real comparo. stig-like driver, one car than the other.

Agreed

Originally Posted by fatoni

where do they get numbers from? this doesnt look very credible especially considering that the 1/4 mile time is off by a full second for the vette.

From the website;-

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Originally Posted by schlomo

You do realize comparos like these are meaningless. No statement of variables given. The 86 could easily beat a GTR with the right conditions and drivers

Yes, but my point was the comparison isn't a dumb one, there are sources (though I admit I can't vouch for credibility) that suggest as much. Around a tight track where handling is prized and outright power isn't as much of an advantage, I would have expected them to be close. The above source "suggests" as much, doesn't necessarliy prove it and might be "meaningless" in the correct academic sense, but it does suggest there might be a contest to be had.

[Gixxersixxerman]

I love these debates...min stead of patting the guy on the back for having a fun time at the track, "experts" put him down and say its the driver.. No shit lol.. At the streets of willow, passing and pulling away from a c6 z06 was satisfying, was it because the other driver couldn't drive his car... Yup no doubt.. Did it still feel good that the first time ever on a track in a car I was passing a 50-60k car in my scion.. Yup you bet...

When a car that's suppose to be faster wins any "race" the excuse is always.. It's suppose to.. But when the slower cheaper car wins the "race" there is always a million excuses.. Happens in the bike world all the time.. I embarrass a liter bike on my old 600 race bike, I always heard excuses.. It's not my fault the owner that bought the car or bike can not handle it.. So when he gets "beat" there shouldn't be any excuses..

I did find it interesting that the new GTR and was only 9sec faster around SoW.. I was expecting 15+ secs

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dazza

Yes I know the C5 is two generations old but the OP suggested it was an older model....and 29 seconds in 8 minutes is the same as 5 seconds in a lap of 1:20 to 1:25 so still not inconsiderable, but the Ring does favour "power" more so than smaller tighter tracks



Agreed



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Lap times

The main purpose for www.fastestlaps.com is to allow car enthusiasts gather lap times for different cars and tracks in one place. All lap times published in fastestlaps.com originate from trusted sources - car magazines, automotive TV shows etc. Only street legal, unmodified production cars are allowed in fastestlaps.com.



Yes, but my point was the comparison isn't a dumb one, there are sources (though I admit I can't vouch for credibility) that suggest as much. Around a tight track where handling is prized and outright power isn't as much of an advantage, I would have expected them to be close. The above source "suggests" as much, doesn't necessarliy prove it and might be "meaningless" in the correct academic sense, but it does suggest there might be a contest to be had.

that website has zero credibility.

the comparison is still a pretty dumb one. well not dumb but the vette is just better. taking the comparison to a tight track is just handicapping the vette and it still has more grip than the frs. on a tight course numbers get closer, thats just how it works.

if you want to see that comparison with the dame drivers just look to the lightning laps. the brz did a 3:18.16 while the vette (06 or 07 model) did a 3:09.3.

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by fatoni

...the vette is just better. taking the comparison to a tight track is just handicapping the vette and it still has more grip than the frs

?? and you have driven both at the track?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dazza

?? and you have driven both at the track?

have you? i havent but according to what happens when professional drivers take them to the track or just about any piece of data can imply, the corvette is faster. i dont know why that seems to be a laughable conclusion. the vette goes faster, turns faster, and stops faster so i dont know where the frs would have an advantage.

[Razz]

^ That is absolutely absurd!

This is an FRS forum, so us fan boys always make our cars better than any old Vette.

In fact the FRS is better than any car.

Just check the pages of threads and comparisons.

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by fatoni

have you?

No, but then I didnt claim anything was "just better". What I did was try to show there is a view out there that MIGHT suggest otherwise...I was making no claims either way, though I admit I was suggesting I thought the frs/brz had a claim to handling superiority over the corvette, on the basis that prior to the c6 the corvette didnt really have such a claim (this from international motoring journalists!!)

Originally Posted by Razz

^ That is absolutely absurd!

This is an FRS forum, so us fan boys always make our cars better than any old Vette.

In fact the FRS is better than any car.

Just check the pages of threads and comparisons.

What did you read in the above to make that accusation?