BRZ vs Ford Focus ST - Motortrend Full Comparo - "It's 90 Percent Exotic" - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

M1schiev0us · 01-14-2013, 09:50 AM

Aye it seems this was a bit too Apples vs. Oranges, but they acknowledged as much in the comparo. Reading through the comments makes me wonder why most people can't seem to get the idea of "it's the chassis/handling/feel, not the power" through their heads...

gmookher · 01-14-2013, 09:52 AM

cuz the faster car wins?

M1schiev0us · 01-14-2013, 10:03 AM

Well sure, but since the article goes on a bit to clarify the Twins win on overall driving satisfaction, and you seem to agree with me that the Twins are better as far as driving experience goes, I'm going to assume that's a slightly sarcastic reply

Not knocking the ST at all though, it seems to be a great FWD car. Different strokes and all that I guess.

ETA-Correcting derpy spelling.

oldpueblo · 01-14-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gmookher

cuz the faster car wins?

I bet the twins win in a 2 meter dash every time due to weight. What a car wins at is completely dependent on what the test is. For some reason people think the most accurate measure of a car is how fast it can run in a straight line in a short stretch of space, like some kind of special Olympic sprint. How about they keep going in a straight line until they run out of gas, who's laughing now HAHAHA!

Admiral Ballsy · 01-17-2013, 10:14 PM

The Focus turning circle was the deal killer for me.

Xenocide117 · 01-18-2013, 12:12 AM

IF I needed something more practical I would so get an ST. I still wanna go drive one before I commit to anything.

fatoni · 01-18-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpueblo

I bet the twins win in a 2 meter dash every time due to weight. What a car wins at is completely dependent on what the test is. For some reason people think the most accurate measure of a car is how fast it can run in a straight line in a short stretch of space, like some kind of special Olympic sprint. How about they keep going in a straight line until they run out of gas, who's laughing now HAHAHA!

why would you even make this kind of statement when the brz is slower around the track than the st in this test?

oldpueblo · 01-18-2013, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

why would you even make this kind of statement when the brz is slower around the track than the st in this test?

You pretty much missed the point.

fatoni · 01-18-2013, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpueblo

You pretty much missed the point.

maybe. what was the point?

oldpueblo · 01-18-2013, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

maybe. what was the point?

Ridiculous tests to gauge the value of a car.

fatoni · 01-18-2013, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oldpueblo

Ridiculous tests to gauge the value of a car.

what test? the 0-60 or the relatively comprehensive test that was done?

Turbowned · 01-26-2013, 10:42 AM

I'd like to see them do what Modified did with the Civic vs. FR-S and put them on equal tires, wheels, and coil-overs. I bet the BRZ would be able to turn a faster lap time then. Good ol' Prius tires...

edward · 01-26-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Ballsy

I find the comments interesting - "nobody would cross-shop these two cars".

I did. Maybe I'm the exception.

I cross shopped them as well. Bought the BRZ in the end.

I think they should have put comparable tires on the BRZ for this comparo. The Focus definitely had the tire adhesion advantage. That said, great comparo!

Meehow86 · 01-31-2013, 02:29 PM

Wow. These are the two cars I'm looking to replace my Miata with (or the Fiesta ST if it comes out anytime soon). Prius tires are a definite disadvantage for the BRZ. The review did hit on some points that I've read before about the ST having an artificial steering feel. I'm not sure I'd want to DD a car like that, but I'll just have to drive it myself to see.

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M1schiev0us Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: '06 IS350 Location: San Diego Posts: 39 Thanks: 13 Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Aye it seems this was a bit too Apples vs. Oranges, but they acknowledged as much in the comparo. Reading through the comments makes me wonder why most people can't seem to get the idea of "it's the chassis/handling/feel, not the power" through their heads...

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M1schiev0us Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: '06 IS350 Location: San Diego Posts: 39 Thanks: 13 Thanked 17 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well sure, but since the article goes on a bit to clarify the Twins win on overall driving satisfaction, and you seem to agree with me that the Twins are better as far as driving experience goes, I'm going to assume that's a slightly sarcastic reply Not knocking the ST at all though, it seems to be a great FWD car. Different strokes and all that I guess. ETA-Correcting derpy spelling.

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