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[ziggz501]

It's good to know what it feels like to break traction, and then the next step would be what to do once the rear wheels start to spin. The easiest way to figure this concept out is by driving in snow or rain if you have no snow. I'd also recommend you do this in an empty parking lot...
Living in Alaska, I flip on the VSC every day because the traction control as it is is way too much. It makes driving in the snow more difficult than it needs to be. The tires need to slip a little bit so I can actually get moving... I know that sounds ridiculous, but when you can't move from a stop because the traction control is fighting you, it's a real pain.

[nix]

I turn it off not to be a hoon but for those moments like turning into a gap in traffic when you really don't need the car changing your input.

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by st162celica

We r not hoons. We just want to be in full control like you used to be in older cars.
Drive by wire, just doesn't seem like full control. I find it a little annoying with throttle response. Has anyone else noticed a difference ?

Guys have got to keep it on if they r not confident enough or don't know the cars limits yet.

Maybe you mistook my post... I am part of the collective "we" you mention....
My post was aimed at the ones saying "leave it on, leave it on"
I rarely have them on, because I hate them. I hate not being in control. This is the first car I have ever owned with these features, and i have always been into "spirited driving", racing and drifting.
So, please, DO NOT confuse me for those who think the traction control should only be turned off on the race track.

I am/was actually surprised at how good the throttle response is, given that it is electronic. I have driven much worse fly by wire cars

[Surok]

im just saying, that for driving to work, i dont need those big fucking lights on the dash staring me in the face.

it takes 5 seconds to turn it all off, so why not just leave it on till you need it off?

if you are not planning your manouvers at least 5 seconds ahead of time, you are driving poorly.

[st162celica]

Originally Posted by Nafe

Maybe you mistook my post... I am part of the collective "we" you mention....
My post was aimed at the ones saying "leave it on, leave it on"
I rarely have them on, because I hate them. I hate not being in control. This is the first car I have ever owned with these features, and i have always been into "spirited driving", racing and drifting.
So, please, DO NOT confuse me for those who think the traction control should only be turned off on the race track.

I am/was actually surprised at how good the throttle response is, given that it is electronic. I have driven much worse fly by wire cars

Not confused. I know what u were saying. We. Meaning me u and other ppl who turn it off.

Yeah throttle response is good, just feels different.

Been away for 1 day and miss the 86 already.

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by st162celica

Not confused. I know what u were saying. We. Meaning me u and other ppl who turn it off.

Yeah throttle response is good, just feels different.

Been away for 1 day and miss the 86 already.

Fair enough man FWIW I don't think most of us are hoons either. I like to ahve fun, but I am no idiot.
LOL I know how you feel... I was away for a whole month :/

[Justkiz]

empty car park.... those bloody hawk eyed cameras and security guys....
I had a few bad memories in local shopping centre with massive car park.

[Maj3sty]

Originally Posted by Justkiz

empty car park.... those bloody hawk eyed cameras and security guys....
I had a few bad memories in local shopping centre with massive car park.

Maccas car park

[st162celica]

Originally Posted by Maj3sty

Maccas car park

All macas 24 hour. Too many highway patrol cops, especially between 10:30-11pm...

Industrial areas

[Maj3sty]

I think this warrants a cruise to some remote location up or down the coast away from Sydney, surely there's open barren places to drift and do some other relatively unsafe things

[Captain Snooze]

^
I am entering paranoia mode here.
Sure, you can look for a deserted area but what happens , on the off chance , that a patrol finds you? Dangerous driving at minimum, maybe impounded car. Maybe a better (and more costly) option would be to go to a skid pan or drift school. Not so much for the drifting but the car control.

[kster]

I would just practice on the streets and just keep an eye out for the cops and hope no unmarked police cars catch you. Although i wouldn't recommend it if you want to keep your driving priveleges.

Other than that try a skid pan day that should help.

[Devie]

So went for a spin today, and gave turning both off a go.

Around backstreets and some fun corners it was fine. Easy to handle, a little slip here and there with easy corrections. Then I was going around a sweeping bend at some speed (the actual limit on this road is 80 going into 100 after the bend... I was going something ). Had some slip after hitting a small bump in the road around this corner with 0 margin for error or I'd run into a barricade on either side.
Came out of it fine, but heart was racing.

These buttons are staying ON for public roads .

[Walla Walla]

leaving them on, is the best way to stop learning to control your car....

in the 70s, 80s, and even 90s, most of those craps were not available on cars.... and people were doing fine...

unless you just want to do stupid shit with your car, wich in that case, you will probably crash yourself, if you drive normally, you will just know when you're about to lose it, at the place of driving and never knowing that you are over the limits of the car but the tcs is bringing you back...