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Old 11-26-2011, 02:16 PM   #15
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This is a chop, u can see the lights reflected on the headlights. Chopped from concept BRZ. No way this is going to be 56 inches high, that's the height of the accord coupe :/
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Old 11-26-2011, 02:28 PM   #16
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he is talking about the prototype he drove a couple of months ago

come on guys, stay with me...
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Old 11-26-2011, 02:31 PM   #17
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It's not real. If it is, it's a slap in the face from Subaru and Toyota IMO
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:05 PM   #18
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I hope that is the production model.
No stupid fixed side window in front of the door window!
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:11 PM   #19
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Seriously, how much damn money would've cost Subaru to put those damn tail lights on the production car?
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:12 PM   #20
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I hope that is the production model.
No stupid fixed side window in front of the door window!
That side window is still there...this car is exactly like the leaked ft86 but with a different front bumper...

Even the LFA has a fixed side window...
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:15 PM   #21
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I'd struggle on a hill too.. if it was crazy steep.. lol
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:20 PM   #22
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Looks like the rear diffuser made it to production...I remember somebody saying it was gonna get cut.
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:22 PM   #23
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I'd struggle on a hill too.. if it was crazy steep.. lol
Lol!

I would stop and help you up the hill...
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:23 PM   #24
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Jah1mon, phenoyz, spin9k, and Giccin: Is this is the quote you're referring to?
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The power from the boxer engine felt adequate, but the car strained a bit up hills.
I don't equate "strained a bit" to struggling. And color me unconcerned. Even though it's a somewhat light car, with this engine output it will not accelerate impressively speeding up a hill without downshifting. Remember, roadandtrack's core audience is lazy Americans that just want to mash the pedal at 3000 RPM. To anyone who happens to be in that demographic, I mean no offense, but this car isn't for you.

It's all about expectations: I remember watching a Best Motoring battle in which they commented on how a 350 hp RX7 couldn't keep up with 550 hp R34 up hill. Didn't make me think I need 550 hp in a daily driver.

Anyway, thanks for posting the photos SonnyBRZ.

The BRZ concept's tail looks better (sans the silly wing). Interesting that this back-end has identical body-work as the Toyota (the only difference seems to be the light assembly). My first thought was "photochop?", but I don't remember seeing any photos at exactly that angle.

I also don't recall seeing anything previously about three drive settings (Normal, Sport, and Snow).

In addition to getting the height wrong, what they wrote about peak power RPM doesn't add up:
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"The BRZ is powered by a naturally aspirated and direct-injected 2.0-liter flat-4 engine with 200 bhp and 151 lb.-ft. of torque"

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"And although power peaked at around 6500 RPM, the redline is set to a lofty 7400."
At 6500 RPM:
162 lbf*ft ~ 200 hp
159 lbf*ft ~ 197 hp

At 151 lbf*ft:
200 hp ~ 6950 RPM
197 hp ~ 6850 RPM

(both power levels listed as it's unclear which we're getting)

To be fair to roadandtrack, that's not *that* far from 6500 which was obviously just an impression from their drive of the pre-production model, but I would've expected them to notice the contradiction in their article.
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If this car came with turbo 300hp, it would sell at least twice as much. It's going to feel more like a Mini from power point of view. And due to the agreement between Subaru & Toyota, BRZ cannot have more power than FRS.
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If this car came with turbo 300hp, it would sell at least twice as much. It's going to feel more like a Mini from power point of view. And due to the agreement between Subaru & Toyota, BRZ cannot have more power than FRS.

Turbo 300hp + awd not going to happen because this car it suppose to be light weight, rwd, affordable and fun to drive like the AE86. On the other note I really hope they come with the STi version with the CF roof, with better suspension (Aluminum control arms with spherical bushing), with more aggressive aero, and those 18" STi wheels.
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The thing I hate about the Toyota version is the lame previous gen Elantra taillights. I saw hope in the Subaru's tail. I hope this is just a chop, because this backend is the same lame Toyota back end. It's honestly a deal breaker for me.
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Z_Rocks: With a projected first year production of only 3000 units, I don't see them not selling every last one as is. I do expect to see a more powerful version in a year or two though.

Brody8877: Z_Rocks never said anything about awd.
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