How To Properly Carve a Canyon

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by scape

i'd be babying that car too, a slight error and bam your lotus is no longer pretty, or worse with that canyon dropoff...

but yea after seeing that and this:

i pretty much officially want to twincharge my future ft-86

I wouldn't baby it if I did a build like that. I'd baby it if it were a garage queen. If you're gonna 'build' a car, especially a lotus, then use it properly, or be forever scorned into the corner of 'posers'.

That aside, all this speculation, maybe he's never driven the road before? Granted there were a few moments in the video where its quite obvious he was taking it sleazy. But if it was his first trip down the canyon, yeah, I'd take it a bit easy too.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I wouldn't baby it if I did a build like that. I'd baby it if it were a garage queen. If you're gonna 'build' a car, especially a lotus, then use it properly, or be forever scorned into the corner of 'posers'.

That aside, all this speculation, maybe he's never driven the road before? Granted there were a few moments in the video where its quite obvious he was taking it sleazy. But if it was his first trip down the canyon, yeah, I'd take it a bit easy too.

Log onto moremonkey and share your critique with the Ronin -- I'm sure you'll get an interesting response

[Ricepuddin]

Love that car, for a second i was thinking it was the K20'ed Lotus that was in a couple canyon carving videos but im glad to see the original Toyota motor.

To me there is no better layout then MR. Thanks for posting!

[scape]

ummmm, and how much is the tally? car+mods+patience/pain... when youve got 40-50k easy let me see you canyon carve it to the limit

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Log onto moremonkey and share your critique with the Ronin -- I'm sure you'll get an interesting response

My 'critique' was aimed at the message of babying that car. All I pointed out was, if you're gonna make it look like a real man's car, you might as well show that you can fill the boots, so to speak. I wasn't by any means calling Ronin a 'poser'. He took it to the canyon and had his fun with it. Thats more than most richie rich poser bitches can say about their expensive toys. Thats more than I've seen most of said people do, personally, having lived my HS/early college years around one of the richest areas in the U.S. They're everywhere around here.

@scape, its a matter of opinion, thats all. If i'm going to build a car to perform, I'm going to push it. Otherwise, whats the point of pioneering performance limits on a car? If I wanted to rub it with a terry cloth all day and try to get hoes to sit on my lap, I'd just strut around in factory trim and watch 'em flock. If I'm gonna build a car to perform, then I'm gonna put it on stage and see what it can do.

[Jordo!]

Frank's been building/playing with fast cars for a looong time... He used to hang around with guys like Ak Miller, driving around the desert in propane powered hot rods

He's not a pro-driver, nor claims to be, but he is a serious hardcore gearhead

Like I said, shoot over to the moremonkey forum...

[TRlPPlN]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

If i'm going to build a car to perform, I'm going to push it.

so in your case if you built this lotus you'd drive yourself off the cliff. let's be realistic here and stop the so called "critique" of yours.

[Franisco]

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[Axel]

Originally Posted by TRlPPlN

so in your case if you built this lotus you'd drive yourself off the cliff. let's be realistic here and stop the so called "critique" of yours.

Trippin, why don't you head back to your own forum and talk about OldSkoolToys some more over there... Lord knows you don't have anything better to do.

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...303959&page=11

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[TRlPPlN]

Originally Posted by Axel

Trippin, why don't you head back to your own forum and talk about OldSkoolToys some more over there... Lord knows you don't have anything better to do.

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...303959&page=11

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hahahahha....whooptidoo. really it was an idiotic statement. so let me ask you something, are you going to push a 500 whp through the canyons when you dont have to?? yeah i dont think so. dont get your panties in a bunch there super man.

[NESW20]

i think it's perfectly fine to not push hard through canyons. they're public roads, not racetracks.

that being said, the driver didn't appear to me to be heel-toeing, and for many of the corners, he was engine braking into them.

and i don't have a problem with shuffle steering when it's necessary (do not confuse shuffle steering with sawing). it is not necessary in that canyon. i would be AMAZED if that Lotus has a slower steering rack than my MR2, and i never had to regrip when driving that road.

-Mike

[ronin]

Originally Posted by NESW20

i think it's perfectly fine to not push hard through canyons. they're public roads, not racetracks.

that being said, the driver didn't appear to me to be heel-toeing, and for many of the corners, he was engine braking into them.

and i don't have a problem with shuffle steering when it's necessary (do not confuse shuffle steering with sawing). it is not necessary in that canyon. i would be AMAZED if that Lotus has a slower steering rack than my MR2, and i never had to regrip when driving that road.

-Mike

You have to be a freakin idiot with absoulty zero drivin skills..
I do the 12mi. stretch in that video in 8:26 min. hat's an average speed of 87 mph. Now tell me why I would I should be heal and toeing when the gearing is perfectly matched at my shift points and engine braking is the proper way to set up the next corner without upseting the car with heavy braking and scrubing off too much speed, not to mention the sand and blind corners that need to be taken with caution.....

You are an idiot that has no clue how to drive in the canyons, if you can say you never had to regrip the wheel while drivin that canyon you would need arms like Gumby on a hot summer day.....

You have no clue as to what you are talkin about.....

[Franisco]

Uh-oh trust fund Tommy and his FF goons are coming to spoil the fun. What a joke

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by ronin

You have to be a freakin idiot with absoulty zero drivin skills..
I do the 12mi. stretch in that video in 8:26 min. hat's an average speed of 87 mph. Now tell me why I would I should be heal and toeing when the gearing is perfectly matched at my shift points and engine braking is the proper way to set up the next corner without upseting the car with heavy braking and scrubing off too much speed, not to mention the sand and blind corners that need to be taken with caution.....

You are an idiot that has no clue how to drive in the canyons, if you can say you never had to regrip the wheel while drivin that canyon you would need arms like Gumby on a hot summer day.....

You have no clue as to what you are talkin about.....

IIRC, from 7-11 to In-N-Out is 18 or 19 miles. now, it's been a while since i've been out there, but i have a hard time believing the section you ran was a full 12 miles. that's beside the point.

so you're arguing that the proper way to downshift is to DRAG THE REVS UP WITH THE CLUTCH??? that's the most asinine thing i've ever heard. heel toeing has nothing to do with gear ratios. at all.

when using brakes properly (notice i never once said you should be threshold braking at every corner), the driver will not upset the car coming into a corner. i feel sorry for you if you are unable to use brakes without upsetting the car.

sand is definitely an issue, which again, is why i think it's fine not to push hard through a canyon. but to me, it seems like you're trying to make excuses for a lack of driving skill. sand has nothing to do with proper driving technique.

in my car i'm able to turn the wheel roughly 120 degrees in either direction before i need to regrip. that gives me a total of (if you do the math) 240 degrees of wheel angle before regripping. it looked like you maybe turned the wheel that far once or twice.

next time, try to put together a better post that defends what you're doing in the video instead of sitting there calling me names and contradicting yourself. you say you want to be cautious around blind corners and sand (i agree), but then you also say you "don't want to scrub off too much speed." seems to me like you don't know which side of the fence you want to be on.

-Mike