FR-S vs 312 hp Camaro?

[Allch Chcar]

The way us aeronubs compare aerodynamic profile since the true frontal area is rarely reported is:

We usually take width x height convert to feet multiply by a typical figure of 0.81 to find the occupied space then you multiply the coefficient. Otherwise it's noticeably higher than cars where the true frontal area is reported. It's just an estimate so consider that.

2012 Camaro
Width: 75.5 in.
Height: 54.2 in.
CofD: 0.37
FT86
Width: 1775mm (approx 69.88 inches)
Height: 1285mm (approx 50.6 inches)
CofD: 0.27

((75.5 * 54.2) / 144) * 0.81 * 0.37 = 8.51668313 sq.ft. which is high for a low profile sportscar but not a boxy muscle car.

((69.88 * 50.6) / 144) * 0.81 * 0.27 = 5.37019065 which is good.

I used Ecomodder's calculator but zeroed out the weight factors.

At 120MPH the FT86 would have 63HP of aero drag while the Camaro has 100HP.

That should tell you the difference right there.

[Ryephile]

Not surprisingly, we came up with a similar delta.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Not surprisingly, we came up with a similar delta.

The 0.81 correction is only for comparison with other cars with accurate frontal areas, not a correction of the actual numbers. Plus the difference didn't change. Also I prefer HP since it can give a better idea of the direct relationship between aero drag and top speed.

I didn't factor drivetrain losses or rolling resistance. Drivetrain losses increase the drag requirement by 16% alone.

[Bad Bow Tie]

I hate to tell you guys this but me being a Camaro owner and enthusiast the V6 Camaro is no longer 312hp stock. The 2012 Camaro V6 has a new lighter V6 engine in it and the horsepower is now 323hp 30mpg stock just letting you guys know.

[Dark]

LOL, and it weights 3700lb +, right? Comparing muscle car to sport car is like apple to orange comparison.

[Bad Bow Tie]

Originally Posted by Dark

LOL, and it weights 3700lb +, right? Comparing muscle car to sport car is like apple to orange comparison.

Yes but you see the Camaro as well as all other sports cars will be competing with the new FT86, FR-S, BRZ too since they will probably be priced very similarly. I'm just letting you know this since the Camaro is the reigning sales king when it comes to this category of cars at this price point. I liked the look of the Scion FR-S concept and its headlights but im not so sure of the new 86 & BRZ images. It looks like they may have dumbed down the head lights on the production model for these cars when compairing them to their concept counterparts.
Also im not here to bash just giving you folks some information on the Camaro since alot of people were saying some things they didnt know much about. Also I used to own 2 Mitsubishi Eclipses a 2nd & 3rd Gen so I know how the import crowd can be.

[LexusFman]

Originally Posted by Bad Bow Tie

Yes but you see the Camaro as well as all other sports cars will be competing with the new FT86, FR-S, BRZ too since they will probably be priced very similarly. I'm just letting you know this since the Camaro is the reigning sales king when it comes to this category of cars at this price point. I liked the look of the Scion FR-S concept and its headlights but im not so sure of the new 86 & BRZ images. It looks like they may have dumbed down the head lights on the production model for these cars when compairing them to their concept counterparts.
Also im not here to bash just giving you folks some information on the Camaro since alot of people were saying some things they didnt know much about. Also I used to own 2 Mitsubishi Eclipses a 2nd & 3rd Gen so I know how the import crowd can be.

Yeah Ik what you mean. The 2011 Camaro SS isn't half bad. I drove it in gran Turismo and it handled quite abit better than I expected. For value per $$ It spanks M3s. And that's not just at the strip either. Man you guys are lucky my brother isn't on this forum. He'd flame the hell out of you for dissin the allmighty Camaro.

[random]

Originally Posted by LexusFman

The 2011 Camaro SS isn't half bad. I drove it in gran Turismo and it handled quite abit better than I expected.

Sorry, but you drove the Camaro SS in a video game, and now you're making a comment about how it handles?

[LexusFman]

Originally Posted by random

Sorry, but you drove the Camaro SS in a video game, and now you're making a comment about how it handles?

LOL I was kidding, but the rest is true lol. But truth be told, GT5 isn't like need for speed I mean its at least somewhat realistic.

[Sully]

Come on. GT and Forza are about as comparable to real world driving as porn is to sex.

[Debo]

what? i love my sexbox, forza and porn def go together.

[CSSM]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Nobody will be cross-shopping those two cars.

I am.. Same price, similar 0-60. It depends on the styling I want, and the overall build quality. I want the best quality car for my money

[Ryephile]

I have a question; do you want a little sports car or a huge muscle car?

[CSSM]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

I have a question; do you want a little sports car or a huge muscle car?

That's my decision