Sedan equivalent

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont think theres any 4 door RWD sports cars that isnt a luxury car or something super old.

If its old it might not even be a sports car..

Well by (debatable) definition, asking about a 4 door sedan eliminates sports car automatically doesn't it?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Newer:
Cadillac ATS or CTS.. Or the CT4 or CT5.

CTS-V Wagon with 6 speed MT is where it's at! (if you can afford one, they basically still sell for their new price).

If you are a "give me MT or give me something else" type, I believe with the CTS-V you have to drop back to the GEN2 (2010-2015), or go with the new Blackwing (CT4 or CT5 can be had with a manual). The 4 and 5 are probably the last big power, 4 doors you'll be able to get with a manual transmission from anyone.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well by (debatable) definition, asking about a 4 door sedan eliminates sports car automatically doesn't it?

well im more thinking that an old RWD 4 door car would be something like a Toyota Cressida...its not really a sporty car but it is RWD.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

well im more thinking that an old RWD 4 door car would be something like a Toyota Cressida...its not really a sporty car but it is RWD.

The Cadillacs mentioned above are all RWD and the 4/5 comes in AWD as an option.

[Atropine]

If you can find an old IS 300

OR

IS-F

GS-F

The Chevy SS might scratch your itch or a Cadillac CTS-V (I would love to get my hands on a CTS-V Wagon)

[Kiske]

Is a manual a deal breaker? If not that opens up the Audi RS3 or larger RS5.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Atropine

The Chevy SS might scratch your itch or a Cadillac CTS-V (I would love to get my hands on a CTS-V Wagon)

It was a sad day when Cadillac dropped the wagon. Here's a little video of it racing a Ferrari California.

[Coaster]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

If you're not interested in something that looks like a clown car (Civic Type R) the Mk7 GTI is a good alternative. 3000-3200 lb depending on options. Smart LSD. And a simple ECU reflash gained me 100/100 hp & torque.

Unfortunately relatively lightweight RWD 4 door sedans, that aren't 20+ yrs old, are basically non-existent. If you're willing to deal with a bit of heft, more options present themselves. Or older, the E36 mentioned above is a good option.

How is torque steer after reflash?

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I don’t see how anything FWD could be remotely equivalent to this car.

I thought the same thing until I read the review I quoted earlier and seeing Type R reviews from Savagegeese and EverydayDriver. A pretty amazing vehicle for FWD.

[HKz]

i agree type r is probably best option if you don't care about rwd..

otherwise, on paper hard to go wrong with an older bmw but in my mind 5 speed manual IS 300 is the closest thing to a spiritual 4 door 86 from toyota and especially first two gens of the impreza would be closest from subaru.

[FR-S2GT86]

It's not new, but if you can find one, a Subaru Baja Turbo manual would be cool.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by alphasaur

Alfa Romeo Giulia

approx 3400lbs, rwd and 280hp with an excellent ZF transmission.

The 4 cylinder giulia is fairly reliable as well with electrical gremlins from earlier model years being the most commonly reported issues. The majority of the issues appear to be fixed with ECU flashes.

Driving dynamics are excellent and road presence is great too. It's 100% the most driver focused car in it's class. Can find CPO at about ~30k. Make sure you get the sport package with LSD.

Largest issue I had with the 2.0 Giulia is that it's an SOHC 4 pot that redlines at 5500 RPM. Torque starts to fall off at around 4500 RPM. It does pull hard, but matted to the ZF8 you find yourself almost constantly slapping paddles while on a back road. While that sounds fun, the stock exhaust is very quiet, and I constantly found myself bouncing off the rev limiter. The handling was fantastic, but compared to a twin where you can enjoy winding out a gear, the low redline gets annoying pretty quickly.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

Largest issue I had with the 2.0 Giulia is that it's an SOHC 4 pot that redlines at 5500 RPM. Torque starts to fall off at around 4500 RPM. It does pull hard, but matted to the ZF8 you find yourself almost constantly slapping paddles while on a back road. While that sounds fun, the stock exhaust is very quiet, and I constantly found myself bouncing off the rev limiter. The handling was fantastic, but compared to a twin where you can enjoy winding out a gear, the low redline gets annoying pretty quickly.

Definitely has a diesel-like power delivery. It's in need of a bigger turbo but the aftermarket support for the platform is poor, unfortunately. They just look so damn good

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by alphasaur

Definitely has a diesel-like power delivery. It's in need of a bigger turbo but the aftermarket support for the platform is poor, unfortunately. They just look so damn good

Completely agreed on the looks. Maybe with a larger cat back I could have gotten used to the shift points by sound eventually, to be fair. While not risking warranty refusals. Still ended up getting a WRX STI at the time. That's nothing like a twin, though.