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TommyW · 11-25-2020, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mrg666

I'm not telling my opinion or i care about some other opinions here. And I don't need to post references, reviews. Cayman is the established benchmark of this segment. We are not even comparing against a Lotus here. You want argue about that? Sure, go ahead among yourselves. Btw, i love my FRS for what it is

So I guess that means you don’t own one or haven't driven one and you’re just going off of hearsay

Dadhawk · 11-25-2020, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mrg666

Cayman is the established benchmark of this segment.

Not sure how a car that is $60K+ is the benchmark for a car that costs half that much, or how they are in the same "segment".

Cephas · 11-25-2020, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mrg666

I'm not telling my opinion or i care about some other opinions here. And I don't need to post references, reviews. Cayman is the established benchmark of this segment. We are not even comparing against a Lotus here. You want argue about that? Sure, go ahead among yourselves. Btw, i love my FRS for what it is

I could also buy a pair of 86s for a single Cayman, so... Who cares?

paiceyfan · 11-25-2020, 10:43 AM

Oh...one other comment...note that I am not getting a BRZ next, I am getting a Cayman GTS. So, if I believe the BRZ is the better car, why am I getting another Cayman? Well, the experience is different. I want to get the best handling, everyday car I can afford and for me that's the GTS 4.0, but I know I would have more fun in the BRZ...and that's why I think I will return to the BRZ one day.

Thanks for all your input...it's an interesting subject for me and shows that things are not just black and white.

Sasquachulator · 11-25-2020, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not sure how a car that is $60K+ is the benchmark for a car that costs half that much, or how they are in the same "segment".

Must go deeper...
It occupies the same "segment" (sports cars) but within that segment there is further segmentation which means the segment within the segment the BRZ/86 occupies is not the same segment within the segment the porsche occupies.

Dadhawk · 11-25-2020, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Must go deeper...
It occupies the same "segment" (sports cars) but within that segment there is further segmentation which means the segment within the segment the BRZ/86 occupies is not the same segment within the segment the porsche occupies.

Got it, but I would hazard to guess there much better cars in the overall "sports car" segment than a Cayman then. It's arguably not even the best car in the Porsche sports car stable.

For that matter, even hypercar is just a subset of "sports car" because its a "sports car with a stupidly high price" as opposed to the 86 which is a "sports car with a reasonable price tag"

Pat · 11-25-2020, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mrg666

A PDK Cayman S is better in every possible way as a sports car than any twin. Are you just trying to be popular here?

I disagree with this. And I owned a Boxster S. And Porsche is my favorite brand.

86prime · 11-25-2020, 11:55 AM

My friends have better cars lol

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Tcoat · 11-25-2020, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paiceyfan

This guy gets it...you have to have owned both cars to really understand what I am trying to get at. The 'fun factor' has a lot of weight in this comparison.

Not a pile of people cross shop the two cars much less own both. My daughter in laws brother sells Porsches and I cross shopped a couple of models that were smoking deals due to "family". I went went for several test drives and was back and forth on the fence totally unable to decide which one I liked better. Then I went with a FRS on first sight and test drive. Within the first 5 minutes I knew it was the better car for ME.

Sasquachulator · 11-25-2020, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 86prime

My friends have better cars lol

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Yes but who has more money in their pocket?

Tcoat · 11-25-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Yes but who has more money in their pocket?

Probably the ones with the more expensive cars.

86prime · 11-25-2020, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Yes but who has more money in their pocket?

I plan to retire. My friends will drive off a cliff before they get old, without being gapped by a minivan.

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TommyW · 11-25-2020, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not a pile of people cross shop the two cars much less own both. My daughter in laws brother sells Porsches and I cross shopped a couple of models that were smoking deals due to "family". I went went for several test drives and was back and forth on the fence totally unable to decide which one I liked better. Then I went with a FRS on first sight and test drive. Within the first 5 minutes I knew it was the better car for ME.

The first freeway onramp on my test drive told me all I needed to know

mrg666 · 11-25-2020, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not sure how a car that is $60K+ is the benchmark for a car that costs half that much, or how they are in the same "segment".

okay, here for you
Quoting Tetsuya Tada
We can testify to how good a job these chaps have done, especially considering the lofty aim they were shooting at. “Dynamically,” says Tada-san, “we were aiming - always - for the Porsche Cayman.”

Clearly, Cayman was the benchmark during GT-86 design and they are in the same segment. At least, Tetsuya Tada thinks so.

And, Cayman is the better car. You guys keep discussing your thing. Don't let me bother you.

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