Some Scion Knowledge and History... - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Jay Grey · 06-01-2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Nice way to start a fight. To answer.. If they smoked some crack and didn't bring the Subaru model, well GOOD because we really wanted an AWD coupe.

I will not buy the Scion, I will get a CPO 09' Evo X MR SST for the same price as I was going going pay for this coupe. Tokyo Auto Show coming up will be the deciding factor if I wait for it or pull the trigger for the X.

Welcome buddy! Hahaha... I'm some what with you if the FR-S doesnt come out to what I think it will be besides the badging, I will consider getting suttin else myself.

VenomRush · 06-01-2011, 11:55 PM

Trying to convince these people that the badge doesnt matter is like trying to carry out a conversation with a brick.

Jay Grey · 06-01-2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Giccin

I blame the high schoolers and those who ruined the brand reputation.

I understand what your saying... I do think that the Scion brand has established a name of its own and for its maker in the auto industry and among people. For just coming out a few years ago it has become big then what people make it to be.

PAImportTuner · 06-02-2011, 12:04 AM

Pure price is BS, they don't want to haggle it benefits them, easier for them to focus on trade in values knowing the car price.. In PA I can get a 2011 tC for $17.8k out the door with getting a $1000 over private sales with trade in, do the math. Also never pay for accessories either have them included free or removed.

So consumers are still taken advantaged of regardless.

Jay Grey · 06-02-2011, 12:04 AM

Lol! Very true...

Dimman · 06-02-2011, 01:01 AM

About half of my considerable post count is about why Scion is a bad idea, failing, etc...

I can't be bothered to write another 4 page rant about it.

Cliff notes: It's about the owning experience, the target market, heritage, handling changes for the market, marketing vs engineering, manipulating my choice as a consumer, many, many things.

The brand, unless they wipe out the current management and make some drastic, legitimate changes, is doomed.

However there are some benefits, as demonstrated by Dragon.

I am currently undecided as to whether or not I get the Scion or Subaru, as there is STILL not enough solid information on either.

If Toyota hadn't initially used Scion to jump on the tailend of the import tuning bandwagon, a lot of the animosity wouldn't be here. Instead of marketing TO 'trendsetters' Toyota should have BEEN the trendsetter with their Scion product. Use it to take RISKS on interesting and exciting cars that would intimidate or confuse typical Camry and Corolla buyers. They are FINALLY moving in that direction with the iQ and the FR-S, but there is a TON of shitty legacy image left over from the Lambo-doored, 34 TV-filled, 10 subwoofer ballasted xB at every import show past. And rice still creeps in to their current marketing of the tC.

Giccin · 06-02-2011, 01:12 AM

This is just going to get back on track with the several other "scion" threads. I try to avoid it but.. ffs keeps popping back up!

Zaku · 06-02-2011, 01:20 AM

These arguments make me depressed, when I saw Scion i swear i died alittle on the inside and thought i should go back and wait for Honda to stop making garbage and get back with the program. ;/

Ryuu0u · 06-02-2011, 01:22 AM

So tired of the same thing over and over.

Ryuu0u · 06-02-2011, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaku

These arguments make me depressed, when I saw Scion i swear i died alittle on the inside and thought i should go back and wait for Honda to stop making garbage and get back with the program. ;/

Took a look at the new SI and figured there is no hope anymore for sure.

Dimman · 06-02-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

So tired of the same thing over and over.

It's our holding pattern, between waiting for next legitimate info.

If they release more info about the car, more frequently, we won't have as much time to rip on Scion... (hint, hint, Toyota)

john · 06-02-2011, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Giccin

You're not going to walk into a 5 star restaurant with shorts and a T-shirt.

I'm sorry...I've actually done that before because I don't give a damn about what people think of me. Yeah some people probably pointed me out and talked smack but guess what? I can move on with life without those people. Just because you drive a Scion doesn't mean your friends are going to laugh. But if they do, are they actually your friends?

Yes, we all wanted this car to be a Toyota. Lets face reality, it's the same thing.

iff2mastamatt · 06-02-2011, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaku

These arguments make me depressed, when I saw Scion i swear i died alittle on the inside and thought i should go back and wait for Honda to stop making garbage and get back with the program. ;/

The CR-Z killed it for me; I still love Honda, but the passion is gone

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tranzformer · 06-02-2011, 02:45 AM

OP, as has been mentioned many times on the forum and confirmed by Subaru of America, this cat IS coming to the US as a Subaru. So please stop spreading doubt. Carry on.

View Poll Results: Do you care more for the badging or the car itself?
Badge	7	11.67%
FR-S	54	90.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

06-02-2011, 12:04 AM	#18
PAImportTuner Turbo Mafia Presidente Join Date: May 2011 Drives: U Mad? Location: East Coast US Posts: 526 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Pure price is BS, they don't want to haggle it benefits them, easier for them to focus on trade in values knowing the car price.. In PA I can get a 2011 tC for $17.8k out the door with getting a $1000 over private sales with trade in, do the math. Also never pay for accessories either have them included free or removed. So consumers are still taken advantaged of regardless. __________________ "the FR-S is going to have to give me a blowjob every time I touch the steering wheel if all it can make me smile with is the handling." - Maxim

06-02-2011, 01:12 AM	#21
Giccin (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Yaris HBK, Audi 09' TTS<Had> Location: Orange County~~~ Posts: 5,162 Thanks: 4,345 Thanked 1,899 Times in 966 Posts Mentioned: 87 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	This is just going to get back on track with the several other "scion" threads. I try to avoid it but.. ffs keeps popping back up! __________________ I am the Ice Queen. Logic > Emotion ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) Yashio Factory Pink adds +10HP to anything. TOYOTA FT-86

06-02-2011, 01:20 AM	#22
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