why subaru why?

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

It comes down to take rate. Saying 75% of BRZs sold are manuals is conservative. The autos tend to sit around on lots quite a bit longer. Adding a bunch of track-oriented parts to a car that's already track oriented = not a big seller in automatics, so no sense in adding models that will just sit around.

This has nothing to do with OEM planning though.

From a purely OEM design/manufacturing perspective, you look at engineering and cost constraints and move forward.

Tcoat already covered it on why the revised engine doesn't have an automatic transmission.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Spuds

As I understand it, most big mass assembly facilities operate with a 'just in time' supply chain. Meaning it's more cost effective to put in place a system to have a steady stream of parts delivered periodically (daily/hourly) than to build and operate a large warehouse for storing a large quantity of said parts. Not saying Subaru definitely subscribes to this method, but using up extra parts doesn't seem like something anyone would care about. Also, the update was likely finalized at least a few months in advance.

Fair point. Can also be minimum order contracts but I'm not too familiar with the manufacturing logistics.

Emissions doesn't makes sense unless it's on the administrative side. There's nothing measurable at the tailpipe that would prevent Subaru from using the red intake manifold.

[BirdTRD]

Originally Posted by celicanegrita

That's right!
Our market, the EU, has more emission restrictions than the US...sadly for us.

Except for maybe the People's Republic of California. I think they've been working on legislation to ban all motorized vehicles in favor of cannabis powered bicycles...or something like that.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Fair point. Can also be minimum order contracts but I'm not too familiar with the manufacturing logistics.

Emissions doesn't makes sense unless it's on the administrative side. There's nothing measurable at the tailpipe that would prevent Subaru from using the red intake manifold.

Believe me they are not taking emissions readings at the tailpipe at the regulations stage. It is far more stringent and makes perfect sense.

There is no such thing as minimum order contracts at the parts level. The auto companies rule and you play the game their way or do not play at all. Even if there was a such thing it would be easier and cheaper for them to just pay out the contract or roll it into the next.

I am familiar with the manufacturing process and my credentials include almost 30 years at the management level in the Teir One automotive parts manufacturing business. I am not throwing out home cooked theories or guesses based on how other business are run here but speaking from experience gained as the industry changed and grew. You can disbelieve all you want because things "don't make sense" to you but there are many aspects of the business that don't make sense if you can't see the whole picture.

Originally Posted by BirdTRD

Except for maybe the People's Republic of California. I think they've been working on legislation to ban all motorized vehicles in favor of cannabis powered bicycles...or something like that.

My guess is that it is the California regulations that prevented the rest of North America from getting the upgrades in the AT>

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You can disbelieve all you want because things "don't make sense" to you but there are many aspects of the business that don't make sense if you can't see the whole picture.

I didn't say the logistics point doesn't make sense. I actually said it was a fair point. Maybe try a little harder with the reading comprehension?

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Believe me they are not taking emissions readings at the tailpipe at the regulations stage. It is far more stringent and makes perfect sense.

For as simple as this emissions regulation forcing the old manifold is, you sure have a hard time relating the specifics of it...

Originally Posted by Tcoat

My guess is that it is the California regulations that prevented the rest of North America from getting the upgrades in the AT>

...so do you know or are you just guessing?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

I didn't say the logistics points don't make sense. I even admitted I'm not well-versed in that so try a little harder with your reading comprehension.


As simple as this emissions rule is you sure have a hard time relating the specifics of it...


...so do you know or are you just guessing?

Yes you did say you didn't know but still carried on with the theory anyway. My reading comprehension is just fine so I can tell when somebody is talking out of their ass.

No I don't know the specifics about the emission control requirements and don't recall attempting to give specifics. Do you know what goes into the burgers that you probably flip for a living? What I do know is that they are not done by the individual car at the tailpipe. Go read up on the subject if you want to know more.

I do not know for sure that California was the reason that is why I said it was my guess. You can speculate with zero knowledge but I can't guess on one point? At least my guess is an educated one.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes you did say you didn't know but still carried on with the theory anyway. My reading comprehension is just fine so I can tell when somebody is talking out of their ass.

No, I didn't carry on with a theory, I brought up a different possibility. And again, I freely admitted I was talking out of my ass so I'm not sure what you re-iterating that does except to stroke your own ego, which does seem a bit fragile for someone with 30 years of management experience, but I digress.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No I don't know the specifics about the emission control requirements and don't recall attempting to give specifics. Do you know what goes into the burgers that you probably flip for a living? What I do know is that they are not done by the individual car at the tailpipe. Go read up on the subject if you want to know more.

I do not know for sure that California was the reason that is why I said it was my guess. You can speculate with zero knowledge but I can't guess on one point? At least my guess is an educated one.

That's a pretty laughable response for someone who pretended to have the answers. I'll save my keystrokes for someone who is a little less emotional about my participation in this discussion.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

No, I didn't carry on with a theory, I brought up a different possibility. And again, I freely admitted I was talking out of my ass so I'm not sure what you re-iterating that does except to stroke your own ego, which does seem a bit fragile for someone with 30 years of management experience, but I digress.



That's a pretty laughable response for someone who pretended to have the answers. I'll save my keystrokes for someone who is a little less emotional about my participation in this discussion.

I think you are reading emotion in that isn't there.

I was responding to your attempted insult about my reading so there was no ego stroking there.

I didn't pretend to have all the answers I very clearly gave info which I did know on the production end.

Your participation in this discussion means nothing to me on an emotional level unless you consider my humour at your attempts to insult and belittle me.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think you are reading emotion in that isn't there.

I was responding to your attempted insult about my reading so there was no ego stroking there.

Stop lying to yourself. You started this mess by conflating my "doesn't make sense" post with manufacturing when I said it about emissions. That's why I called out your poor reading comprehension, and I was right.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I didn't pretend to have all the answers I very clearly gave info which I did know on the production end.

Here is what you said: "Believe me they are not taking emissions readings at the tailpipe at the regulations stage. It is far more stringent and makes perfect sense."

How does it all make perfect sense to you if you don't have the answers? To me, that sounds like the kind of thing that someone who had actual answers would say.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Your participation in this discussion means nothing to me on an emotional level unless you consider my humour at your attempts to insult and belittle me.

You quoted me first. And it's annoying the way you conflate my posts in a way that attempts to insult me while adding nothing to the discussion. If you want to talk shit I have a PM box.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Stop lying to yourself. You started this mess by conflating my "doesn't make sense" post with manufacturing when I said it about emissions. That's why I called out your poor reading comprehension, and I was right.

Here is what you said: "Believe me they are not taking emissions readings at the tailpipe at the regulations stage. It is far more stringent and makes perfect sense."

How does it all make perfect sense to you if you don't have the answers? To me, that sounds like the kind of thing that someone who had actual answers would say.



You quoted me first. And it's annoying the way you conflate my posts in a way that attempts to insult me while adding nothing to the discussion. If you want to talk shit I have a PM box.

You are wasting precious key strokes!


I quoted you with more info. There was no insult there other than your angry mind read into it.

Add nothing to the conversation? Really? You actually read any of what I wrote prior to your attack?

At no point did I talk shit about you until you started in on me. Two way street brah.

Ahhhh another guy that wants to hide in the PMs. Should have guessed.

[Impureclient]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ahhhh another guy that wants to hide in the PMs. Should have guessed.

I wish somebody would send me secret Valentines day PMs....

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

I wish somebody would send me secret Valentines day PMs....

PM sent!

























JK

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I quoted you with more info. There was no insult there other than your angry mind read into it.

Add nothing to the conversation? Really? You actually read any of what I wrote prior to your attack?

At no point did I talk shit about you until you started in on me. Two way street brah.

Ahhhh another guy that wants to hide in the PMs. Should have guessed.

Keep lying to yourself. You're just a gaslighting fool with poor reading comprehension.

The PM offer was for everyone else's benefit. I don't have anything to hide from. I was just thinking that no one else cares about this petty exchange, so let's do them all a favor and both stfu?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Keep lying to yourself. You're just a gaslighting fool with poor reading comprehension.

The PM offer was for everyone else's benefit. I don't have anything to hide from. I was just thinking that no one else cares about this petty exchange, so let's do them all a favor and both stfu?

Gaslighting? You are questioning your sanity?

How about you try presenting some facts hat counter what I said instead of just saying I don't understand what is written and personal attacks?

Here give this a quick read and get back to me on why you think that emissions/mileage being the issue doesn't make sense.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-201...2012-21972.pdf