Possible Toyota version of FR-S in NA Lineup??

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Scion wouldnt be competition with toyota. Toyota IMO would have more competion with subaru. This is how I see it

Scion (bare bones enthusiast track model, NA[naturally aspirated] only) ~21-23K
Toyota (GT cruiser, premium interior, possibly turbo option) ~25-27K or with turbo ~28-30K
Subaru (GT cruiser, possibly turbo standard) ~30-32K

This way they fill every niche.

[racinstylez]

^^ Then why even come out with a Scion model. Makes no sense to me. They could easily sell it as a Toyota, Subaru, and Lexus and make more money.

Toyota - Enthusiast model, plastic interior, no leather, NA $25k
Subaru - Turbo standard, leather options, $30k
Lexus - Plush leather interior, more of a GT model, turbo standard, lots of options $35k even have a droptop/roadster model either hardtop +$10k, or softtop +$5k

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by blur

Scion wouldnt be competition with toyota. Toyota IMO would have more competion with subaru. This is how I see it

Scion (bare bones enthusiast track model, NA[naturally aspirated] only) ~21-23K
Toyota (GT cruiser, premium interior, possibly turbo option) ~25-27K or with turbo ~28-30K
Subaru (GT cruiser, possibly turbo standard) ~30-32K

This way they fill every niche.

Why the price difference between the turbo Toyota and Subaru? $4k is a ton of money just to buy the name Subaru for your car if all else is equal (interior, transmission, rwd, engine...etc.). If anything I would see the top end Toyota (if a turbo was available) to be priced similar to the lower end Subaru? Then options on the Subaru (nav, wheels?) would take it higher.

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Originally Posted by racinstylez

^^ Then why even come out with a Scion model. Makes no sense to me. They could easily sell it as a Toyota, Subaru, and Lexus and make more money.

Toyota - Enthusiast model, plastic interior, no leather, NA $25k
Subaru - Turbo standard, leather options, $30k
Lexus - Plush leather interior, more of a GT model, turbo standard, lots of options $35k even have a droptop/roadster model either hardtop +$10k, or softtop +$5k

Because we already know the scion will be an enthusiast bare bones model. That way they can keep the weight and price down. The Toyota would probably have a completely different interior, complete with the necessary adjustments to accommodate luxuries such as nav, sunroof, leather, etc. and be marketed as a GT rather than a stripped model. The toyota version would be targeting people in a different demographic, those that prefer luxuries over performance, while the scion would be targeting the enthusiast crowd. Makes sense if you dont think about it, lol . . . also fits with scion's low volume plan, since enthusiasts are hard to come by these days.

Why the price difference between the turbo Toyota and Subaru? $4k is a ton of money just to buy the name Subaru for your car if all else is equal (interior, transmission, rwd, engine...etc.). If anything I would see the top end Toyota (if a turbo was available) to be priced similar to the lower end Subaru? Then options on the Subaru (nav, wheels?) would take it higher.

1. We dont know much about the subaru.
2. Im assuming it will be turbo standard.

Based on these two things, I'm thinking that the Subaru will come with more options standard than the Toyota. Hence the jump in price. Such as Bose speakers and subwoofer, 18 inch wheels, more HP, etc . . . and probably be marketed as a more of an all around sports car than the toyota. IMO.

[Crashoverride]

Originally Posted by Gaen

supra?

Hell I hope not, not without 300-400 HP and some redesign, ditch the boxster motor and drop in a twin turbo v6

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Crashoverride

Hell I hope not, not without 300-400 HP and some redesign, ditch the boxster motor and drop in a twin turbo v6

That would be very nice! Give it 300-400hp with a twin turbo 6 cylinder and keep the weight down to 3000lbs (+/- 100). Almost sounds too good to be true and will probably never happen.

[racinstylez]

Originally Posted by Crashoverride

Hell I hope not, not without 300-400 HP and some redesign, ditch the boxster motor and drop in a twin turbo v6

If they made something like this it would probably go for around $55k +. Think about what other cars are in that territory like the Porsche Caymen, Audi S5, etc...

[racinstylez]

Originally Posted by blur

Because we already know the scion will be an enthusiast bare bones model. That way they can keep the weight and price down. The Toyota would probably have a completely different interior, complete with the necessary adjustments to accommodate luxuries such as nav, sunroof, leather, etc. and be marketed as a GT rather than a stripped model. The toyota version would be targeting people in a different demographic, those that prefer luxuries over performance, while the scion would be targeting the enthusiast crowd. Makes sense if you dont think about it, lol . . . also fits with scion's low volume plan, since enthusiasts are hard to come by these days.

So you think this Scion model is going to be completely stripped down with no options? I really hope not. I hope they have at least some options like cd/mp3/ipod player with nav option, a/c system, power everything (doors, windows, keyless entry. If the interior is not "comfortable" I don't see how people will be able to use this as a daily. it should have at least all the basic creature comforts that most Toyotas and Hondas have.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by racinstylez

If they made something like this it would probably go for around $55k +. Think about what other cars are in that territory like the Porsche Caymen, Audi S5, etc...

That is true but I think they could pull it off. It isn't like they have anything else in their lineup that would cover this. You basically jump up to the LFA but don't have anything for the common man.

[racinstylez]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That is true but I think they could pull it off. It isn't like they have anything else in their lineup that would cover this. You basically jump up to the LFA but don't have anything for the common man.

I agree there is no middle ground with their line up. Scions will be under <$30k and the Lexus LFA is $375K. They could easily make a new, more powerful model like the old supra and have it priced under $100k like the Nissan GTR. Id say if they were to come up with something it would be in the $50k-$100k range. Probably be along the lines of the old NSX pricing. Although, im unsure what demographic would be able to afford and purchase a sub $100k Toyota/Lexus....hmmm

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That would be very nice! Give it 300-400hp with a twin turbo 6 cylinder and keep the weight down to 3000lbs (+/- 100). Almost sounds too good to be true and will probably never happen.

With the supposed weight this car has, it would only need 240hp to have a slightly better power to weight ratio than the 320hp Supra TT. 400hp would give it a better power to weight ratio than the LFA!

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Originally Posted by racinstylez

So you think this Scion model is going to be completely stripped down with no options? I really hope not. I hope they have at least some options like cd/mp3/ipod player with nav option, a/c system, power everything (doors, windows, keyless entry. If the interior is not "comfortable" I don't see how people will be able to use this as a daily. it should have at least all the basic creature comforts that most Toyotas and Hondas have.

From what the VP and TRDliquidsilver have stated, I am pretty sure that will be the case, if a toyota model and subaru model will be available. I mean look at the last gen celica, that car weighed around 2500 lbs . . . I expect the FRS to have a similar look inside. IMO, everything you stated will be there, as that doesnt take up much weight, but most luxuries that do such as leather, heated seats and sunroof probably wont be options.

400hp would give it a better power to weight ratio than the LFA!

If it was to produce that much HP the thing I would be worried about is the balance and the weight gained . . . I mean, if I was to do that with aftermarket parts, I'd bolt on a quick-ish spooling turbo and run it on race fuel/ethanol, but for production, they need an engine that will produce 400hp on 87, that will be light, and that will fit in the space of the boxer . . . iono if its possible.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by racinstylez

I agree there is no middle ground with their line up. Scions will be under <$30k and the Lexus LFA is $375K. They could easily make a new, more powerful model like the old supra and have it priced under $100k like the Nissan GTR. Id say if they were to come up with something it would be in the $50k-$100k range. Probably be along the lines of the old NSX pricing. Although, im unsure what demographic would be able to afford and purchase a sub $100k Toyota/Lexus....hmmm

I agree. They really would benefit from a car in the $50-100k range. Even something priced to compete in the sub $90k range (against the Corvette Z06, Nissan GTR, Porsche 911). Maybe at that point you would need it to be a Lexus? I don't know. $80-90k is a lot to ask for a "Toyota" labeled car.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by aliphian

With the supposed weight this car has, it would only need 240hp to have a slightly better power to weight ratio than the 320hp Supra TT. 400hp would give it a better power to weight ratio than the LFA!

Huh, did you read my post? I said a weight of 3000lbs +/-100.

Lexus LFA: 3263lbs/552hp=5.9lbs/hp
3000lbs car with 300hp=10lbs/hp
3000lbs car with 400hp= 7.5lbs/hp

I don't get it? Did you read my post?