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7thgear · 07-13-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chantaiman51

That's exactly my point. As the ft86 is solely designed as a "feel good" car. Lap time is meaningless. Just don't understand what's the article or the OP trying to say the car did 9:09, and on a good day it could do 8:50.

what do you mean laptime is meaningless

this isn't a drag strip, this is the ring! 170 turns.

also the problem with lightweight cars is that it's harder to drive them at max speed on highspeed courses because it's just so damn scary to go into corners without much braking :/

alex86 · 07-13-2012, 04:41 PM

video link?

ichitaka05 · 07-13-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chantaiman51

10+ years old VW Lupo with 123hp has the same ring time at 9:09. Even at 8:50, it's still 22 second slower than an automatic Hyundai Genesis 3.8. Am I missing something? What's there to brag or be happy about?

Nope, nothing to brag about... and?

If I really do care about numbers, I would of chosen used M3, GC, WRX, EVO, Mustang, S2k, Supra, MR2, 350Z & all other number oriented cars.

BlaineWasHere · 07-13-2012, 05:38 PM

The Ring is a power track. Wanna post a fast time bring your 427 Vette.

RaceR · 07-13-2012, 05:49 PM

stock tires + damp and a laptime of 9.09 is just as expected, or maybe a couple small seconds slower. But I dont know how damp it was..
They reckon 8.50 with good tires. Just as predicted in my opinion.

I tought the 86 would be somewhere between 8.43-8.50 depending on tire compond. (down to 8.43 on Z1 star specs, and up to 8.50 on good high performance summer tires)
My estimates were based on GT5 times and looking at times from other cars.

Lets be real.
NSX 8:38
S2000 8.39

There was no chance of the 86 beating those cars. Or being very close.
8.43 or faster would not be achievable even if the 86 had very sticky road tires.
Cars like Civic Type R, and Mini Cooper S are around 8.50

There are several factors when it comes to Nordschleife laptimes. Not just weather, but there is also different drivers. Even good drivers can easily have 5 sec +/- compared to each other..

Allch Chcar · 07-13-2012, 05:49 PM

Hah, I voted >9:10 way back when since I didn't really care if it was fast.

BTW, here's the old prediction thread.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=48722

ichitaka05 · 07-13-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Hah, I voted >9:10 way back when since I didn't really care if it was fast.

BTW, here's the old prediction thread.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=48722

But don't forget 86 won VLN race this yr both stock & lightly modded

blu_ · 07-13-2012, 06:02 PM

They had a better race team. They didn't have close the fastest laps in either group. They just executed better over the course of 24hrs.

RaceR · 07-13-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Hah, I voted >9:10 way back when since I didn't really care if it was fast.

BTW, here's the old prediction thread.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=48722

Yupp.. I remember that thread.. I voted 8.40-8.49 (with some of the best road tires). But I never tough the bone stock 86 with Primacy HP tires would do 8.49 or faster.
I have no idea what people were smoking when guessing 8.29 or faster...

ichitaka05 · 07-13-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceR

Yupp.. I remember that thread.. I voted 8.40-8.49 (with some of the best road tires). But I never tough the bone stock 86 with Primacy HP tires would do 8.49 or faster.
I have no idea what people were smoking when guessing 8.29 or faster...

They were guessing 86 will get special made tires just like S2k

RaceR · 07-13-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

They were guessing 86 will get special made tires just like S2k

Maybe they were guesstimating with the real car having.. ...one those special PINK paints you know!

( Pink, Pink 2)

ichitaka05 · 07-13-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceR

Maybe they were guesstimating with the real car having.. ...one those special PINK paints you know!

( Pink, Pink 2)

Damn right! Pink paint gives you more POWER~~

That's why BRZ won the gymkhana event! They had a pink in their design lol

SFTiofoso · 07-13-2012, 06:52 PM

I think a lap time around Suzuka or Tsukuba would be more meaningful.

track_warrior · 07-13-2012, 07:06 PM

Not bad for a 200 hp car in a high speed track.

07-13-2012, 05:38 PM	#18
BlaineWasHere Grip>Drift Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: FRS Location: NorCal Posts: 3,472 Thanks: 782 Thanked 1,749 Times in 918 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	The Ring is a power track. Wanna post a fast time bring your 427 Vette. __________________ My FR-S Build Thread!

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track_warrior Track Junkie Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: Faster than the Stig! Location: TX Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 530 Thanked 770 Times in 363 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not bad for a 200 hp car in a high speed track. __________________ Compensating a heavy car with horsepower is like giving an alcoholic cocaine to sober him up...

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RaceR Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2010 Cooper S, 74 Beetle Location: Norway Posts: 726 Thanks: 239 Thanked 252 Times in 124 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	stock tires + damp and a laptime of 9.09 is just as expected, or maybe a couple small seconds slower. But I dont know how damp it was.. They reckon 8.50 with good tires. Just as predicted in my opinion. I tought the 86 would be somewhere between 8.43-8.50 depending on tire compond. (down to 8.43 on Z1 star specs, and up to 8.50 on good high performance summer tires) My estimates were based on GT5 times and looking at times from other cars. Lets be real. NSX 8:38 S2000 8.39 There was no chance of the 86 beating those cars. Or being very close. 8.43 or faster would not be achievable even if the 86 had very sticky road tires. Cars like Civic Type R, and Mini Cooper S are around 8.50 There are several factors when it comes to Nordschleife laptimes. Not just weather, but there is also different drivers. Even good drivers can easily have 5 sec +/- compared to each other..

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