[!!!] Do not bring our precious cars to Hudson Toyota, NJ for service.

[justatroll]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

I'm not really sure how people are finding this hard to understand but let's try one more time. The Subaru dealer is used to working on very similar engines, some of which, including the FA20DIT in the WRX, have similar oil capacities. They're more likely to know what they're looking at and be able to perform routine maintenance on it properly because it is literally what they do all day, every day.


When you bring it into a Toyota dealership, it is "that Subaru thing". One rarely ever rolls into service and not only that, the usual vehicles that roll through there are nothing like it. Many dealerships just plug their nose and do the work so they can get it back out the door. Does this excuse the fact that a first grader should be able to look up the oil capacity and properly verify it after filling it? No, not really, but sadly, that's where we are right now in a lot of cases, as evidenced by the OP.


It's all about risk mitigation. I'm sure there are Toyota dealerships that can do an A+ job on these but I'd be willing to bet as a whole, your quality of service is better from Subaru.

Got it!
So all those toyota 86 or FRS owners should just take their cars straight to Subaru for any engine work?
I'm glad you mentioned this as it will save the toyota and Scion owners a bunch of wasted time from going to the toyota dealer first.

[Toyarzee]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

I'm not really sure how people are finding this hard to understand but let's try one more time. The Subaru dealer is used to working on very similar engines, some of which, including the FA20DIT in the WRX, have similar oil capacities. They're more likely to know what they're looking at and be able to perform routine maintenance on it properly because it is literally what they do all day, every day.


When you bring it into a Toyota dealership, it is "that Subaru thing". One rarely ever rolls into service and not only that, the usual vehicles that roll through there are nothing like it. Many dealerships just plug their nose and do the work so they can get it back out the door. Does this excuse the fact that a first grader should be able to look up the oil capacity and properly verify it after filling it? No, not really, but sadly, that's where we are right now in a lot of cases, as evidenced by the OP.


It's all about risk mitigation. I'm sure there are Toyota dealerships that can do an A+ job on these but I'd be willing to bet as a whole, your quality of service is better from Subaru.

Lol wat.

If I trade in my Volvo for a BRZ at a toyota dealership, do you think they have to break out motor blueprints and call the original design specialist to service the trade-in for resale? These techs all take the same training for the same basic bullshit maintenance, whether it be a GM, Ford, or Subaru product. Jiffy lube doesn't call Subaru for help with my scion FRS oil change either. No specialization needed.

The dealers are not some specialty boutique top service oriented shop.

And as for the OP having toyota drain the new oil, what a waste. I like how he assumes the dealer provided synthetic oil is of lesser quality than he brought in without even knowing what it was...

[MurderousPandas]

To be honest, if you're so worried about factory oil, why take it to the dealership where they only supply... factory oil?
My opinion would be to do your own oil changes. It's too easy, the oil filter is on top and the drain has a cut out on the splash shield/tray. 15 minutes.
If that's too long for you, you can get yourself a Fumoto oil valve and it would be more like 10 minutes. These times do include jacking the car. Maybe 5 minutes if your oil drain pan fits under the car.
And i'm sure those 15 minutes would be quicker than the dealer, or arguing with the dealer, or taking your car to Jiffylube, and it would also be less stress.


"Chasing speed with patience"

[zc06_kisstherain]

Originally Posted by MurderousPandas

To be honest, if you're so worried about factory oil, why take it to the dealership where they only supply... factory oil?
My opinion would be to do your own oil changes. It's too easy, the oil filter is on top and the drain has a cut out on the splash shield/tray. 15 minutes.
If that's too long for you, you can get yourself a Fumoto oil valve and it would be more like 10 minutes. These times do include jacking the car. Maybe 5 minutes if your oil drain pan fits under the car.
And i'm sure those 15 minutes would be quicker than the dealer, or arguing with the dealer, or taking your car to Jiffylube, and it would also be less stress.


"Chasing speed with patience"

OP probably dont have time or this is his first sports car so want to good take care of it. so he took it to dealer and this happened. not everyone is savy car guys.

[jtaeric]

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

OP probably dont have time or this is his first sports car so want to good take care of it. so he took it to dealer and this happened. not everyone is savy car guys.

Yes, this is my first sports car. Actually my first car. I know how to do oil change but I decided to take it to dealership since I thought they are good. Now, I know I was wrong and I will never trust them again.


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[zc06_kisstherain]

Originally Posted by jtaeric

Yes, this is my first sports car. Actually my first car. I know how to do oil change but I decided to take it to dealership since I thought they are good. Now, I know I was wrong and I will never trust them again.


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learned from experience so you paid for it.
DIY or bring it to local shop. tell them how much you love your car and they'll take care of it. or i will change it for you with labor charge lol

[justatroll]

Originally Posted by jtaeric

Yes, this is my first sports car. Actually my first car. I know how to do oil change but I decided to take it to dealership since I thought they are good. Now, I know I was wrong and I will never trust them again.

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I have more automotive experience than MOST of the guys at the dealership on every single aspect of automotive tech.
I take my car to the dealership for an oil change every time, and have so on my last 4 new cars.
That is UNTIL the warranty has run out.

WHY? - because it goes on their record that it was done, on time, by them.

So when you go in for warranty work in the future they cannot even try the "Let us see your maintenance records first".
I say "well pull them up and lets have a look!"

[Scrappydoo]

Ah well, they over filled your oil. Worse problems in life I suppose.

[MurderousPandas]

Originally Posted by justatroll

I have more automotive experience than MOST of the guys at the dealership on every single aspect of automotive tech.
I take my car to the dealership for an oil change every time, and have so on my last 4 new cars.
That is UNTIL the warranty has run out.

WHY? - because it goes on their record that it was done, on time, by them.

So when you go in for warranty work in the future they cannot even try the "Let us see your maintenance records first".
I say "well pull them up and lets have a look!"

This. I took my car in for studs before and they're like, "There's no record of service for this vehicle. Do you service your own vehicle at home?"
Other than record keeping or free oil(which OP did not want), i see no reason why to take it in. OP said it is his first car, so i could see the worry, but i find it hard to trust mechanics, or most people in general, especially since we live in a world of greed. He seems to know to stay away from dealerships, or at least that one anyway. I have good hopes his next oil change will go better, whether he does it himself or tries another location.

"Chasing speed with patience"

[Lantana frs]

A horrible thing happened at ed morse Toyota in delray. They changed my oil for what it would have cost me to do it. Made me drink their coffee, eat their bagels and to top it off put junk oil in my car that stupid little Toyota recommends rather than over priced snake oil in a pretty can! Auto parts stores know what works! We are brain surgeons.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by Toyarzee

Lol wat.

If I trade in my Volvo for a BRZ at a toyota dealership, do you think they have to break out motor blueprints and call the original design specialist to service the trade-in for resale? These techs all take the same training for the same basic bullshit maintenance, whether it be a GM, Ford, or Subaru product. Jiffy lube doesn't call Subaru for help with my scion FRS oil change either. No specialization needed.

The dealers are not some specialty boutique top service oriented shop.

And as for the OP having toyota drain the new oil, what a waste. I like how he assumes the dealer provided synthetic oil is of lesser quality than he brought in without even knowing what it was...

Nobody said anything about blueprints, specialized training, or any of that, but since you're so quick to dismiss it as so easy for any person to be able to manage, I will add that these techs regularly do stupid fucking shit like strip out oil pan drain plugs and impact on lugnuts while performing "basic bullshit maintenance".

Can we all agree that filling to improper oil levels has happened? Can we all agree that something like that ever happening is completely unacceptable and that it is something a high functioning retard shouldn't screw up, let alone a certified technician?

Now, can we all agree that if someone else is working on your car, there isn't much that can be done to completely eliminate the risk of what was previously mentioned and that this risk exists to some degree at every shop? However, that one thing that is a good bet and that we can control is taking the car somewhere that performs the procedures on the same/similar engines more often?

That's all I'm saying. Nothing more.

[justatroll]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

Nobody said anything about blueprints, specialized training, or any of that, but since you're so quick to dismiss it as so easy for any person to be able to manage, I will add that these techs regularly do stupid fucking shit like strip out oil pan drain plugs and impact on lugnuts while performing "basic bullshit maintenance".

Can we all agree that filling to improper oil levels has happened? Can we all agree that something like that ever happening is completely unacceptable and that it is something a high functioning retard shouldn't screw up, let alone a certified technician?

Now, can we all agree that if someone else is working on your car, there isn't much that can be done to completely eliminate the risk of what was previously mentioned and that this risk exists to some degree at every shop? However, that one thing that is a good bet and that we can control is taking the car somewhere that performs the procedures on the same/similar engines more often?

That's all I'm saying. Nothing more.

Can we all agree that telling someone to take their Toyota to the Subaru dealer because "the Toyota Dealers dont know how to work on this particular toyota" is fucking stupid?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

Nobody said anything about blueprints, specialized training, or any of that, but since you're so quick to dismiss it as so easy for any person to be able to manage, I will add that these techs regularly do stupid fucking shit like strip out oil pan drain plugs and impact on lugnuts while performing "basic bullshit maintenance".

Can we all agree that filling to improper oil levels has happened? Can we all agree that something like that ever happening is completely unacceptable and that it is something a high functioning retard shouldn't screw up, let alone a certified technician?

Now, can we all agree that if someone else is working on your car, there isn't much that can be done to completely eliminate the risk of what was previously mentioned and that this risk exists to some degree at every shop? However, that one thing that is a good bet and that we can control is taking the car somewhere that performs the procedures on the same/similar engines more often?

That's all I'm saying. Nothing more.

But...
But...
But...
Stripping an oil plug or overfilling oil has zero to do with what dealer worked on the car. A Subaru impact gun will strip an oil plug as fast as a Toyota one. There is zero advantage to having one brand's tech over another change your oil.
Now if rebuilding the engine there may be a small advantage but even then a well trained tech should be able to do the job no matter what engine it is.

[Yardjass]

I think I'm fighting a losing battle here. All I'm trying to say is most of these techs are complete morons and you should use every advantage you can get, even little advantages like taking it somewhere that repeats the procedure more often.


There is no way in hell I'd trust a dealership to rebuild one of my motors unless I personally knew a reputable master tech working there and knew they were going to be doing it. A performance shop with a good reputation that specializes in that type of motor would be a much better choice. Then again, I don't like letting them change my oil or do any other simple work either. Its easy and I've seen way too many fuck ups to trust nearly any dealership or shop. The fact is I wouldn't take my own advice because the Subaru techs are idiots too.