To get the Performance Package or Not? Thread

[nikitopo]

The performance package is a good option for someone who doesn't want to make changes and have a factory car ready from day one. Modifying a car can take a lot of time or even many years. I don't believe this is something for everyone.

[goldenfri]

If you are never going to see the track or do autox etc, then yea its a waste of money, unless you really dig how the PP wheels look.

For the money though you get a TON of value. Better dampers, BBK front AND rear and wider wheels, any one of those things alone would cost close to if not more than that. If you only autox, those dampers and wheels will give you an advantage. I just can't ignore the value proposition.

Plus in my S2000 I went through brake pads like butter on the track, cracking rotors etc, until I got a BBK so I wouldn't have to worry anymore and waste time changing hot ass rotors and pads at the track. I don't want to ever deal with that again.

Aftermarket front and rear BBK: ~4250+
Aftermarket dampers: ~$800 - 1200+
Aftermarket wheels: $$800 - $2000+

Total: $5850 - $7450+

Yes they will probably be better, but you sure pay for that. I'll bet you could even sell the PP set up to someone that didn't get it down the road for more than you will pay for it now.

Mazda charges like 3x as much for the brembo + BBS package on the new miata.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by goldenfri

If you are never going to see the track or do autox etc, then yea its a waste of money, unless you really dig how the PP wheels look.

For the money though you get a TON of value. Better dampers, BBK front AND rear and wider wheels, any one of those things alone would cost close to if not more than that. If you only autox, those dampers and wheels will give you an advantage. I just can't ignore the value proposition.



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This leads to another talking pint in which I have zero knowledge but will throw into the ring.
Will the fact that the PP comes from the manufacturer help keep people in the appropriate class in the different motor sports or will it bump them up?

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I've not kept up with the differences because I'm not in the market for a new car right now, but is there more than just the suspension and brakes between the limited and performance package? Something not easily replaceable, I mean? Brakes and suspension are common, easy, and relatively low cost upgrades; something like traction control or a gearing change is not.

Yup and bigger size wheels which actually might weight more.... I remember seeing something on that I need to check And then there's the sach dampers that's about it.

So like a lot of people said, I know there's a lot of people that like to buy something like this and never mod it sure.

But then again we are on an enthusiast forum, eventually a lot of people here that are reading will mod something.

And when it comes to that the PP isn't something you want if you're gonna coil, get wheels and change to BBK


The good arguement for the PP is again 1200$ for brembo, which... I'd imagine isn't gonna blow people minds like most think.

A good example to look at is a Miata Club and Miata GT 8 times out of 10 people don't praise it for the brembo they praise it for the LSD lol!

But still 1200$ for brembo

Lol it's a good deal but... Well this is why we are here lol both sides have good arguments, everyone wins I think

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This leads to another talking pint in which I have zero knowledge but will throw into the ring.
Will the fact that the PP comes from the manufacturer help keep people in the appropriate class in the different motor sports or will it bump them up?

Currently under argument it seems, for example it's only a matter of time before the ND Miata gets thrown into a different class for having the big brakes, since currently it's Miata vs Miata from all years. The 86 class is a bit more lax it seems STX is always less political than the Miata classes or the STR s2000 classes. Most of STX is all BRZ, depending on regions the FRS might be the bigger number.

[KB_BRZ]

I'm interested in the PP for the sole purpose of the track. I'm sure the break feel will be much better and they won't fade as quickly as the stock. That being said if i can't get the limited with PP OTD for 32k I'm not going to bother with it. Its a huge discount plus it comes from factory with the breaks adds to the upside. No warranty issues to worry about

[goldenfri]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This leads to another talking pint in which I have zero knowledge but will throw into the ring.
Will the fact that the PP comes from the manufacturer help keep people in the appropriate class in the different motor sports or will it bump them up?

This is a hard question to answer. Usually in the "stock/street classes" you will be with the others at first, but that could change depending on how much of a difference the changes make. For example the S2000 CR was with other S2000s until it dominated for a couple of years then was moved to compete with Corvettes.

[pinski]

Originally Posted by goldenfri

For the money though you get a TON of value. Better dampers, BBK front AND rear and wider wheels, any one of those things alone would cost close to if not more than that. If you only autox, those dampers and wheels will give you an advantage. I just can't ignore the value proposition.

No joke - throw some RE71Rs on the PP wheels and if this thing remains in CS, it'll be very formidable.

[jmark]

Originally Posted by pinski

No joke - throw some RE71Rs on the PP wheels and if this thing remains in CS, it'll be very formidable.

Don't forget the gearing change should help acceleration.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Currently under argument it seems, for example it's only a matter of time before the ND Miata gets thrown into a different class for having the big brakes, since currently it's Miata vs Miata from all years. The 86 class is a bit more lax it seems STX is always less political than the Miata classes or the STR s2000 classes. Most of STX is all BRZ, depending on regions the FRS might be the bigger number.

STX was never the problem.

CS was the problem, as evidenced by the dominance of top 10 at Nationals this past week.

[MJones_RB]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I will add some discussion points:

Bigger brakes do not make you stop faster or better. This has been heavily debated before and some wonky physics thrown around as "proof" that they do but it is just not fact. Your tires will brake loose before your normal brakes ever give up when street driving. Bigger brakes do help with heat dissipation and preventing fade. On the track these are very critical factors but if you are driving on the street in such a manner that heat is an issue then you are doing something wrong.

I was always told that bigger brakes are only advantageous on tracks. They take longer to overheat and cool off quicker (with proper brake ducting). On the street, larger brakes are actually a disadvantage.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MJones_RB

I was always told that bigger brakes are only advantageous on tracks. They take longer to overheat and cool off quicker (with proper brake ducting). On the street, larger brakes are actually a disadvantage.

I wouldn't say they are a disadvantage for any reason as long as you are running pads appropriate for street use. Some track/Race pads have to get bloody hot before they work properly and that is not a good plan for the streets.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I wouldn't say they are a disadvantage for any reason as long as you are running pads appropriate for street use. Some track/Race pads have to get bloody hot before they work properly and that is not a good plan for the streets.

TLDR; it's all comes down the balance. Can't have one part overpowering.

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Yup and bigger size wheels which actually might weight more.... I remember seeing something on that I need to check And then there's the sach dampers that's about it.

Heavier wheels are a godsend when you misjudge a turn and hit a curb at high speeds. Track day hero indeed.

The Brembo's are impressive and all but what I'm spinning about is the Sachs dampers. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills (!) but aren't they, like, 'the shit' ?! DTM, Super GT, HPD, Porsche Motorsports, etc. run Sach's components. I know of them as the high end boutique suspension stuff for motorcycles and I didn't know they did much outside motorsports for race cars.

Looking at their website, a set of CSS coilovers for a BRZ runs $2,000. Now I know, you can buy Sach's stuff for regular cars, too.