My Goals with this Forum!!!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Pretty sure we're talking about sixth gens here.....stout BRZ though, lol.

If we are not talking current gen then there is a whole era of Camaros that a stock 86 could kick their ass even in a straight line!

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Pretty sure we're talking about sixth gens here.....stout BRZ though, lol.

LOL does it really matter in this case? His goal is just to "stay competitive" with one. That second BRZ did a 12.7 @ 115. The sixth gen does what a 12.3 @ 116? If he manages to build his BRZ to that level, he'd have hit his goal.

[turtlefeeder]

Probably will want an engine swap with at least a v6/h6 and turbo charged maybe even the twin turbos yummy 2jz you'll eat plenty of cars for breakfast lol

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[strat61caster]

In a straight line? idgaf

Around a course with corners: drive better than the camaro guy, driving lessons are cheaper than turbos

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

LOL does it really matter in this case? His goal is just to "stay competitive" with one. That second BRZ did a 12.7 @ 115. The sixth gen does what a 12.3 @ 116? If he manages to build his BRZ to that level, he'd have hit his goal.

It matters quite a bit. The sixth gen is an entirely different car. All depends on overall goals I guess, but the sixth gen does everything better than the previous gen.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If we are not talking current gen then there is a whole era of Camaros that a stock 86 could kick their ass even in a straight line!

I would want to be seen in the Camaro though...

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

In a straight line? idgaf

Around a course with corners: drive better than the camaro guy, driving lessons are cheaper than turbos

I'd actually be interested in this one. Which courses do the twins beat out a 2017 Camaro using the same driver? In the US recorded times anyways.

[ichitaka05]

I wanna troll and say ask Mike BRZ bout 1/4 mile... but prob bad troll lol

Anyways, you wanna go fast as Camaro SS in...? Autox? Track? Drag? Rally? or hardpark? (joke on hardpark)

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I'd actually be interested in this one. Which courses do the twins beat out a 2017 Camaro using the same driver? In the US recorded times anyways.

With a skilled driver in both?

None. Even an autocross of sufficient size to attract talented drivers will allow the Camaro to showcase it's straightline speed and it's large OE wheels allow a lot of rubber to compensate for the weight in the corners. And with a shit driver in both the Camaro will do even better because point and shoot straightline speed will compensate for the slow corners.

Here's a recent autocross national tour results page, that means mild modifications including brakes and alignment and equal footing on tire compound (both top Camaro and FRS on RE71R's). 2016 Camaro is up ~2s pretty consistently even at different venues.

(Compare the top 'C street' to the top 'F street')
http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1468289548

http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1461593953

I think last years championships had rain so the results aren't directly comparable across classes.



But my point is, show up to your average track day novice-intermediate group, if you can drive a stock 86 at it's maximum potential you will pass all kinds of V8 Pony Cars, BMW M cars, STI's, and Porsche's. Hell even at local events I've finished ahead of all of the mentioned 'fast cars' without anything crazy done to my FR-S (or the Mini I've been in recently).

[HeadBanger]

Turbo LSx swap.

And bags so yyou can be way lower, bro.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

With a skilled driver in both?

None. Even an autocross of sufficient size to attract talented drivers will allow the Camaro to showcase it's straightline speed and it's large OE wheels allow a lot of rubber to compensate for the weight in the corners. And with a shit driver in both the Camaro will do even better because point and shoot straightline speed will compensate for the slow corners.

Here's a recent autocross national tour results page, that means mild modifications including brakes and alignment and equal footing on tire compound (both top Camaro and FRS on RE71R's). 2016 Camaro is up ~2s pretty consistently even at different venues.

(Compare the top 'C street' to the top 'F street')
http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1468289548

http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1461593953

I think last years championships had rain so the results aren't directly comparable across classes.



But my point is, show up to your average track day novice-intermediate group, if you can drive a stock 86 at it's maximum potential you will pass all kinds of V8 Pony Cars, BMW M cars, STI's, and Porsche's. Hell even at local events I've finished ahead of all of the mentioned 'fast cars' without anything crazy done to my FR-S (or the Mini I've been in recently).

Kind of just proving a point. Without a ton of modifications this car won't be able to "beat" a brand new Camaro. Driver skill is obviously important, and I firmly believe that to be the most important thing....however, there is a huge performance deficit between the two vehicles. Comparing an experienced 86 driver to a grouping of beginner - intermediate drivers is not a fair comparison. Most of those guys are just getting used to the track and its rules and probably have instructors riding along telling them to let others pass.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

If you're talking straight line, I agree with the above comments - it'll be cheaper just trading in for a muscle car.

But if you really want to stick with your car, ask these guys for their mod list. The second video claims the BRZ had 360 whp, but you should message them directly.

Was that filmed with the Nokia Brick phone?

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The only way to really compete with a Camaro SS is:

This is the only correct answer!




Or


Maybe this....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by raven1231

This is the only correct answer!




Or


Maybe this....

The 'Stang would be cheaper and more reliable!