Two years with a Camaro, trading for BRZ

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Jen

I'm not going to turbo it, but they need to find a way to give it some more power. The BRZ is fun for the way it handles though, not for its speed, like the WRX is more for immediate power.

Power is easy on these cars. Not as easy as a turbocharged car, but still. A decent exhaust and tune will get you to ~200 whp. E85 will get you 210-230, and any number of solid FI kits if you want to go above that. Coming into the market three years behind the start is not a bad thing, because it gave the aftermarket time to get its bearings.

[strat61caster]

Hi Jen, I remember your old post, fyi they still chirp and sound funny off the showroom floor. 2017 is minor improvements imo.
Enjoy!

[Jen]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Hi Jen, I remember your old post, fyi they still chirp and sound funny off the showroom floor. 2017 is minor improvements imo.
Enjoy!

You remember me? Good memory!

After seeing that these cars are making it to 100k, and seeing some more long term feedback, I feel better about making the move.

The 2017 Limited with the upgraded brakes seems worth waiting for. Hey, the 2017 has a new fuel pump, maybe no more crickets!

As far as things that you can't see out of that actually do go fast, we still have the Challenger, so no huge loss.

1) wait for the 2017..probably
2) will a blue BRZ look ridiculous or awesome with a blue WRX, I'm down to blue or white?

[gravitylover]

White or Ice Silver. I'm partial to white

[bravedeer]

Originally Posted by Jen

The WRX is fast and handles great, but the BRZ handles even better. It's fun going 40 mph. The WRX will get me thrown in jail one day. You go to pass a truck, look down, and you are going 96 mph.

My driving speeds with the BRZ were actually faster than the WRX. In the time that it takes the turbo to kick in with the WRX, you can drop a gear or two with the BRZ and no lag... Remember, the WRX may have 68 more HP, but it also weights 450+ more and is less aerodynamic.

[tCsonfrs]

Originally Posted by bravedeer

My driving speeds with the BRZ were actually faster than the WRX. In the time that it takes the turbo to kick in with the WRX, you can drop a gear or two with the BRZ and no lag... Remember, the WRX may have 68 more HP, but it also weights 450+ more and is less aerodynamic.

Please don't kid yourself, the WRX doesn't have noticeable lag, you're talking about it like its a 90's Supra with a dinner plate sized turbo. Most modern turbo cars have full torque around 2k RPM.


Read through to the specs on this review and you'll see how quickly and strongly the boost comes on, definetly quicker than a twin gets to its sweet spot downshift or not.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ru-wrx-vs-sti/

[bravedeer]

Originally Posted by tCsonfrs

Please don't kid yourself, the WRX doesn't have noticeable lag, you're talking about it like its a 90's Supra with a dinner plate sized turbo. Most modern turbo cars have full torque around 2k RPM.


Read through to the specs on this review and you'll see how quickly and strongly the boost comes on, definetly quicker than a twin gets to its sweet spot downshift or not.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ru-wrx-vs-sti/

I have a 2016 WRX Premium. That's precisely your problem by the way, you're focused on "specs". Yeah the boost comes on strong in about 2 seconds if you're above 2500 RPM. In a straight line there's no doubt the WRX is the winner, but we're talking real world scenarios, and frankly if anyone has trouble passing or driving faster than a Camry (as is often said) in a BRZ, they should learn how to drive a manual car properly. The WRX makes it easy because you can just floor above 2000 RPM, and the car does the work for you. The BRZ is only as fast as the driver.

And if you want specs, read this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ransformation/

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by tCsonfrs

Please don't kid yourself, the WRX doesn't have noticeable lag, you're talking about it like its a 90's Supra with a dinner plate sized turbo. Most modern turbo cars have full torque around 2k RPM.


Read through to the specs on this review and you'll see how quickly and strongly the boost comes on, definetly quicker than a twin gets to its sweet spot downshift or not.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ru-wrx-vs-sti/

My 2007 Golf GTI DSG had a small Borg Warner K03 Sport turbocharger and the lag was definitely still there even tho full torque was at 1850rpm. It's just not that big of a deal in daily driving but you'll be kidding yourself if you can't notice it at all. BTW I can drive my manual BRZ just as fast in a straight line and much faster in a turn.

[bravedeer]

Originally Posted by krayzie

My old Golf GTI had a K03 Sport turbocharger and the lag is still there even tho full torque was at 1850rpm. It's just not that big of a deal in daily driving but you'll be kidding yourself if you can't notice it at all.

And if you google 2016 WRX Turbo lag you'll notice that everyone talks about a small lag. It's much improved but it's there... Since I traded in my BRZ I got used to it, but the first two weeks were rough because with the BRZ you shift, drop the clutch and press the gas and you're engaged, with the WRX, there's that second or two where nothing is happening...

[Packofcrows]

Camaros drive liek torque school buses.

BRZ you'll miss that but handling is almost perfect. 90%-99%

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by bravedeer

And if you google 2016 WRX Turbo lag you'll notice that everyone talks about a small lag. It's much improved but it's there... Since I traded in my BRZ I got used to it, but the first two weeks were rough because with the BRZ you shift, drop the clutch and press the gas and you're engaged, with the WRX, there's that second or two where nothing is happening...

Hopefully the top end isn't too bad with your new WRX. When the boost kicks in it feels like a rollercoaster but my GTI was absolutely gutless above 5000rpm, some people don't seem to notice this but I certainly did.

I was actually quite happy to reunite with NA again when I traded in for a BRZ, I just wind it out whenever I need to. Only took me a few days to re-adapt my driving style.

[bravedeer]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Hopefully the top end isn't too bad with your new WRX. When the boost kicks in it feels like a rollercoaster but my GTI was absolutely gutless above 5000rpm, some people don't seem to notice this but I certainly did.

I was actually quite happy to reunite with NA again when I traded in for a BRZ, I just wind it out whenever I need to. Only took me a few days to re-adapt my driving style.

It's an awesome car. The power drops off significantly around 5000 RPM. But between 3000 and 5000 it's a beast and you don't have to work for the power like the BRZ. But in my humble opinion, the car is only about half as fun! I regret trading in the BRZ and Impreza for the WRX, but having 2 cars was a hassle for a single parent. I do hope to get another BRZ in the next couple years and only drive it in the warm months

[Lickwid Apex]

I had a 2013 2SS 1LE. I occasionally miss the concrete shaking rumble from long tube headers and NPP. But with every corner, every curve and hard stop in my BRZ the Camaro fades from memory a little more and more.

[tCsonfrs]

Originally Posted by bravedeer

I have a 2016 WRX Premium. That's precisely your problem by the way, you're focused on "specs"

And if you want specs, read this: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ransformation/

Even though you don't know me I'm not focused on specs, I was using the article to highlight how long it takes the turbo to come on; I wouldn't have bought this car if I were only looking at specs. I just can't kid myself into thinking the me downshifting a N/A 86 is going to be faster than a WRX.

Also your article is from 2012, completely different car than the current WRX.