Thoughts and secrets of the FR-S/FT-86 Interior

[switchlanez]

And I think the start button + wiring is lighter than the ignition switch cylinder. Probably why supercars implement it. Also, the weight of your keychain can sag/misalign a traditional key cylinder over time; less moving parts on a button = less things that can break.

Originally Posted by enc0re

Inserting and twisting the key is more efficient than inserting the key and then pushing the button. So I vote traditional.

In the new Prius the key just needs to be somewhere around the cockpit (like inside your pocket) to be detected so the push button can work.

[KevinDuMa]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Funny, I was thinking about push button start just yesterday. Never had one, never cared for one. Then I drove a friend's G37 and a relative's 3rd gen Prius a few times this past year. The button grows on you if you've never tried it.

I've only ever bought used cars to save money. They never came with MP3 playback or Bluetooth (both standard in many of today's econo cars) which I want on my next car. Fumbling with my Android phone for GPS is unsafe; I'd opt for an in-dash navi. With this being my first new car purchase, I don't want to cheap out on myself this time around.

The exterior on all 3 concepts look modern. Scion should make the interior follow suit and show relevance to the times.

I'm with you there...my cousin had just gotten a 370Z and I love the interior of it, only problem with the Z is it's out of my price range. The FR-S will be the first car I buy brand new as well and if the production model comes out to look good and the price range stays relatively low towards the lower twenties it's looking like a deal. Otherwise over 25 grand I'll be looking into another vehicle.

[KevinDuMa]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

And I think the start button + wiring is lighter than the ignition switch cylinder. Probably why supercars implement it. Also, the weight of your keychain can sag/misalign a traditional key cylinder over time; less moving parts on a button = less things that can break.



In the new Prius the key just needs to be somewhere around the cockpit (like inside your pocket) to be detected so the push button can work.

Yeah the only time I've seen the key inserted into the ignition for the push start was a S2000, other wise Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, and even Hyundai vehicles now have it where you just need the fob in your pocket. I can see this being an option on the FR-S seeing as how the 7.0 release tC has a engine start button.

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Cheap feel? Rattles and squeaks? Never driven a VW Golf/GTI? One of the nicest interiors for $20k.

Hence the "most" I wrote in parentheses. Thought I was clear on that, but I guess it was foolish of me to not expect a counter-statement. And I was only pointing out to Fortunate Few that since Scions and Subarus both are known to have vehicles with rattles and squeaks, it wouldn't be a leap of logic to expect such from the FT.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by ryun84

Hence the "most" I wrote in parentheses. Thought I was clear on that, but I guess it was foolish of me to not expect a counter-statement. And I was only pointing out to Fortunate Few that since Scions and Subarus both are known to have vehicles with rattles and squeaks, it wouldn't be a leap of logic to expect such from the FT.

Nope it wasn't clear. There are plenty of great cars in the mid $20k's without sequeks. My parent's '06 Camry is super quiet as well as my wife's Subaru Legacy. So what is your point again?

[enc0re]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

In the new Prius the key just needs to be somewhere around the cockpit (like inside your pocket) to be detected so the push button can work.

As I said, it makes sense if you have keyless start. If you have to insert the key anyway, it's useless fluff.

[Giccin]

I had always thought the keyless start was to prevent people from stealing your car by hardwiring. Lol

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Nope it wasn't clear. There are plenty of great cars in the mid $20k's without sequeks. My parent's '06 Camry is super quiet as well as my wife's Subaru Legacy. So what is your point again?

"Plenty" is not a majority. Also basing this statement on that fact that you, yourself, do not hear any noises does not mean that others share your experience. I'm not going restate the point of my post since I don't believe you genuinely care.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by enc0re

As I said, it makes sense if you have keyless start. If you have to insert the key anyway, it's useless fluff.

Gotcha. I misinterpreted your "keyless start" literally and thought remote start which is truely keyless (like keyless entry). But we're talking the same thing which requires a key to be physically present, just not plugged in.

But I agree. My cousin's 3.28xi Beamer is plug-in to start. She usually has to explain how to eject the key after people drive it. I figured out how but not without yanking and wiggling things around first.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by ryun84

"Plenty" is not a majority. Also basing this statement on that fact that you, yourself, do not hear any noises does not mean that others share your experience. I'm not going restate the point of my post since I don't believe you genuinely care.

Never said there was a majority but there are enough with nice interiors at this price range. You get what you pay for. Not sure why you are ragging on it before it is even out. I bet you it will surprise you and your expectations.

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Never said there was a majority but there are enough with nice interiors at this price range. You get what you pay for. Not sure why you are ragging on it before it is even out. I bet you it will surprise you and your expectations.

I hope so and I'd place my money with your bet as well.

[Zaku]

I just hopet he cluth pedal doesn't ride so high up like in a 370z I was so surprised of the clutch position compared to the s2000 or the Civic Si or the old Celica. If the clutch is about the same position as the S2000, Im happy. Also I don't mind digital dash at all, but I wouldn't mind the analog with the little blip thing that happens when you start a Lexus ISF.

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by Giccin

I had always thought the keyless start was to prevent people from stealing your car by hardwiring. Lol

http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/01/19...start-systems/

sorry.

Basically, some engineering kids at a Swedish school made a program such that:
1. You get out of your car
2. Thief 1 follows you, has transponder that established communication with the key
3. Thief 2 receives data from thief 1 wirelessly
4. Thief 2 drives away

[dalli]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Push button start is not as bad as you say enc0re. The only thing I hate is that if the battery goes dead in the key your SOL.

in the winter my dads key went dead, it has a key inside of the key to open the door and to start the car all you have to do is put the electronic keys face to face with the start button.

( the companies logo should point to the start button) Then put keys in your pocket or w/e u wana do with it and push the start button... WA LAH!