Official 2016 Camaro Thread With Updates

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ohnoitsthefuzz

No.....when that one came out, people who had bought the model year before fell to their knees and said thank you lord! I bought the right one!!!!!

Hey, I didn't claim it was better just not "subtle".

[malave7567]

Originally Posted by 2016 Camaro SS

The newer Camaro is much better on the highway if that's your commute style with the cylinder cutoffs, but that wasn't available on my 2002. Just the silly skip shift that everyone hated.

By the way, is that skip shift still on the newer models? I never even checked. I know it can be disabled and whatnot, but I found it pretty meaningless.

Skip shift is still on all manual SS Camaros. Same engagement parameters still apply as before. Like you said, most people eliminate it (you can just unplug it), but it is annoying. It allows the SS to avoid gas guzzler tax though, so I can't complain too much.

[Packofcrows]

From a DD perspective:

Seems appetizing. 30+ mpg I'm sure. Unfortunately, data not out yet.

Anyone like these beasts? Would you consider a 4cyl Camaro>their twin?

Lately, it seems like American car companies are starting to rival import's harder and harder. Less of a choice now. Especially looking at price. Looking at Consumer Guide/Time, I read that American companies have been increasing in popularity (% wise) more than imports.


(/enddrunkrant)


http://www.chevrolet.com/2016-camaro/

[53Driver]

Well, considering the domestic companies have had 30+ years to get start getting their collective acts together, it's about time! Maybe the domestic brands can take a play right out of the imports book and reverse engineer their cars and then make better clones. I'll admit, there's very little coming out of the import scene that excites me anymore, unless you're going for the cars that are pushing 6 figures. Just watching MAPperformance's thread about their ecoboost Mustang makes me want to get one! (if only it were smaller in size and weighed less)

[Dadhawk]

I'm a Camaro fan, but there is absolutely no chance I would buy one with a turbo 4 in it as a replacement for the FR-S. I would consider the V6, but in the end if I'm going to own a Camaro, I'm going to own a proper Camaro, which means V8 with max torque, otherwise it's just a poser Camaro.

These were the top two contenders in my buy list in 2012, and it came down to the Camaro I would have been satisfied with would have been twice the price of the FR-S, which I am satisfied with as is.

This is no different than if the FR-S had a 6 or 8 option. I would have bought the larger displacement.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

otherwise it's just a poser Camaro.

THis^ This^ and This^

In my books even the 6 is a poser. Same thing applies to Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers, etc. The American manufacturers have always done this. They make a flagship performance car that they sell very few of at a loss and then have the sub versions that they sell by the bucket full at a huge profit.
Not saying that there is anything actually wrong with the subs as cars some are very good but people buy them just to say they have a XXXX.
I read once that there are now about twice as many 69 Chevelle "SSs" on the road then they ever made. Posers sometimes get carried away.

[jawn]

Like the Ecoboost Mustang, the Camaro is still too big of a car for my personal tastes.

[Cmorris8848]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

THis^ This^ and This^

In my books even the 6 is a poser. Same thing applies to Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers, etc. The American manufacturers have always done this. They make a flagship performance car that they sell very few of at a loss and then have the sub versions that they sell by the bucket full at a huge profit.
Not saying that there is anything actually wrong with the subs as cars some are very good but people buy them just to say they have a XXXX.
I read once that there are now about twice as many 69 Chevelle "SSs" on the road then they ever made. Posers sometimes get carried away.

I agree with you and DadHawk on this. I wanted the Challenger, and since they are so heavy, not even the V6 would be powerful enough. I wanted the V8, but it would have been financially unfeasible with the higher price tag and the gas guzzling for my current situation. So I went with the BRZ since it checked almost all my boxes for a car. I still love it and am not regretting the purchase.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cmorris8848

I agree with you and DadHawk on this. I wanted the Challenger, and since they are so heavy, not even the V6 would be powerful enough. I wanted the V8, but it would have been financially unfeasible with the higher price tag and the gas guzzling for my current situation. So I went with the BRZ since it checked almost all my boxes for a car. I still love it and am not regretting the purchase.

Both the V6 Camaro and Challenger were on my short list when I was shopping. Both came off very quickly after a test drive (for more reasons than just power) since I had exactly the same concerns you did.

[53Driver]

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. A lady I work with just picked up one of the new Mustangs. She test drove all 3 versions (Ecoboost, V-6, 5.0) and chose the V-6 because, in her words "the turbo scared me, the V-6 was just right and the V-8 was way too scary". Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's all the people not buying the V-8 versions that help keep us enthusiasts in our "top end models". Do you think Ford, GM and Dodge would keep making the "top dogs" if everyone else quite buying those "poser Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers"? And if they did, the cost on those V-8s would skyrocket. So next time you see someone driving one of those "posers", stop and shake their hand and thank them for enabling us enthusiasts to be able to pursue and afford our passion.

[Cmorris8848]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. A lady I work with just picked up one of the new Mustangs. She test drove all 3 versions (Ecoboost, V-6, 5.0) and chose the V-6 because, in her words "the turbo scared me, the V-6 was just right and the V-8 was way too scary". Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's all the people not buying the V-8 versions that help keep us enthusiasts in our "top end models". Do you think Ford, GM and Dodge would keep making the "top dogs" if everyone else quite buying those "poser Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers"? And if they did, the cost on those V-8s would skyrocket. So next time you see someone driving one of those "posers", stop and shake their hand and thank them for enabling us enthusiasts to be able to pursue and afford our passion.

Which you like what you like, but the Challenger at its highest weight is over 700 lbs heavier than the Mustang at its highest weight. I feel like the V6 Mustang will feel like it has more power than the V6 Challenger due to the weight gap. That's just my two cents to justify the bigger engine for the Challenger. Can't say much about the Mustang or Camaro since I'm not interested in either.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. ...

Nope, folks should be able to drive what they want. MomHawk has a V6 Mustang convertible. It was a trade-off. We had a set budget, and she could have had either the muscle or the drop-top for the same cost. She chose the drop-top.


I would have chosen the muscle, but it wasn't my car!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. A lady I work with just picked up one of the new Mustangs. She test drove all 3 versions (Ecoboost, V-6, 5.0) and chose the V-6 because, in her words "the turbo scared me, the V-6 was just right and the V-8 was way too scary". Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's all the people not buying the V-8 versions that help keep us enthusiasts in our "top end models". Do you think Ford, GM and Dodge would keep making the "top dogs" if everyone else quite buying those "poser Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers"? And if they did, the cost on those V-8s would skyrocket. So next time you see someone driving one of those "posers", stop and shake their hand and thank them for enabling us enthusiasts to be able to pursue and afford our passion.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Nope, folks should be able to drive what they want. MomHawk has a V6 Mustang convertible. It was a trade-off. We had a set budget, and she could have had either the muscle or the drop-top for the same cost. She chose the drop-top.


I would have chosen the muscle, but it wasn't my car!

Oh I agree completely!
I think what I wrote came off way more harsh and critical than I intended as I did not make it clear I was talking about the poser crowd only.
I was referencing a certain group in my rant and did not intend it to reflect on all the buyers. There are perfectly valid reasons to not want the top line version.

[malave7567]

I'm really thinking hard about the new sixth gen Camaro SS. Next summer, it might happen. I definitely would wait until the kinks in the new model were worked out though, and buy a '17 instead of a '16.

On the topic of the 2.0 Turbo, I do like that Chevy has it as the base model engine. I feel the Turbo 4 -> V6 -> V8 price progression feels more natural than Ford's Ecoboost price model. Plus, GM has made some awesome 2.0 Turbo's in the past (Sky Redline/Solstice twins)