BRZ STi tS Confirmed. Teased on Official Website

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Emissions bro. It's that simple. That engine is dead because of emissions and that's again, why 100hp/L is still a good metric. Yes, your 7L V8 with carbs made 600hp 50-60 years ago, but now we're making almost that power with better emissions.

Dangit, I live in CA...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Power isn't everything, and no I think you're making false assumptions. 200 hp and just 151 ft-lbs leaves a lot to be desired, especially when its coming from an engine with a low (comparatively) redline and unremarkable engine sounds.

In a perfect world (avoiding FI) the BRZ would have weighed 200lbs less, or came with a 2.5L engine (at the current price, for both scenarios). If that was the case, would I still want more power? Yeah maybe a little, but nothing that bolt-ons couldn't solve. Meanwhile to get what I want from the car as it exists in this world I need to go FI, which isn't as desirable due to the increased cost and potential for reduced reliability, nevermind loss of vehicle warranty.

I'll take a 2.5L 200hp 185tq engine BRZ! I bet it would get better MPG and run cleaner too...

[WolfpackS2k]

^amen to that.

If the 86 were intended for the track, they would have put bigger brakes on it, not used Prius tires, and gone with an unequal length header to eliminate that stupid torque dip. I have to assume it was Toyota's idea to put an equal length header on the car.

The brakes are perfectly fine. This is one of the areas they got 100% right. The stock brakes are oversized for a car of this power.

[chanomatik]

So there seems to be a division of people that either: track their car, autox their car or basically daily driver their car. It doesn't seem like any of us will ever completely agree because we use these cars for different purposes.

Think of it this way... the BRZ tS is a better PLATFORM to start from if you trust STI. Same as the WRX STI. Some people prefer to start with the WRX to modify from while others are cool with the STI and just like to go up from there. Plenty of people have the WRX as a competent daily driver, and that's awesome. That's what I did.

I think if we had track days here in Alaska I'd complain more about the BRZ's lack of power. We have plenty of autox, though, and with better tires and some improved rigidity and lighter chassis, it seems to do well. For daily driving it is perfect because I can still pull around people and outrun them. Yes, even Rav4's, because at least in the BRZ I'm ready to go at most times. I person in a Rav4 is most likely asleep at the wheel because they're less engaged. Bwahahaha!!!

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Power isn't everything, and no I think you're making false assumptions. 200 hp and just 151 ft-lbs leaves a lot to be desired, especially when its coming from an engine with a low (comparatively) redline and unremarkable engine sounds.

In a perfect world (avoiding FI) the BRZ would have weighed 200lbs less, or came with a 2.5L engine (at the current price, for both scenarios). If that was the case, would I still want more power? Yeah maybe a little, but nothing that bolt-ons couldn't solve. Meanwhile to get what I want from the car as it exists in this world I need to go FI, which isn't as desirable due to the increased cost and potential for reduced reliability, nevermind loss of vehicle warranty.

You don't HAVE to go FI to get what you want, you just want a different car. Lezbihonest.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by kuhlka

Back when the tC first came out Scion was really talking up how they were going to have a supercharger kit for it. I'm glad I didn't buy the tC because they never released the supercharger as a factory option, just a LOT of BS. I went with the STI instead and don't regret that decision.

The 1st gen had the TRD S/C as an option.

[CSG Mike]

It's a bit different, because the STI has (in comparison to a WRX):

- A different engine
- A different turbo
- A different transmission
- A different set of differentials

The list goes on...

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

You don't HAVE to go FI to get what you want, you just want a different car. Lezbihonest.

So point me in the right direction for under $30k

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement 2 spots up. We use our cars for different things. As an autoxing vehicle I can't imagine this car being anything but outstanding across the board. However after 4 seasons of autoxing I got tired of getting <10 minutes of driving in during an 8 hour session. Thus I moved onto HPDEs where just having a light nimble car isn't really enough to tickle your fancy without a decent PTW ratio.

However, tell me what makes the tS BRZ a better platform for tracking? The main (only?) functional differences are:
-brakes (stock brakes are fine for tracking)
-aerodynamics (a non-issue at stock power of 200hp, as it's already pretty good)
-handling (already really good, and honestly anyone that's going to seriously track their car a lot will install a custom set up that suits their likings)

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Why cant Subaru make a 4 cylinder that makes as much horsepower as the naturally aspirated 4 cylinders of Nissan/Toyota/Honda in the past?

My Toyota 3S-GE made 200hp out of 2 liters. 15 years ago.

Because emission standards/CAFE.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Absolutely serious.

I'm sure there's a track somewhere on which it's true. In general, with quite a bit less lateral Gs, it would need pretty long straights to catch up, and do so slowly, since quarter-mile times aren't too different. And the V6 RAV4 is dead now, is it?

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Imagine having a 300hp 300tq turbo version for $37k. All the sudden, you have the attention of all the 370Z/Mustang/Camaro buyers as well.

I'm fairly certain Subaru doesn't want that crowd. Cause it will scare off its core crowd.

[zoomzoomers]

So what do you think they mean by steering wheel button?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

I'm fairly certain Subaru doesn't want that crowd. Cause it will scare off it's core crowd.

Oh I totally agree

[WolfpackS2k]

Why? They already have the engine and most of the supporting modifications to the chassis, etc. won't actually cost them more to produce. Other than R&D I don't see any reason for it to cost that much more.

I'm clueless as to why everyone thinks that Porsche's pricing structure is a logical one. B/c that's what everyone is arguing for here, whether they know it or not.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Marchy

I imagine it would cost quite a bit more than 37k for that car from the factory.

Why? It's not like it has 3 differentials like a STi.

[kuhlka]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

The 1st gen had the TRD S/C as an option.

Can you point to a car which actually got the kit installed and factory warrantied? Every time I talked to my local Scion dealership they said it was still in development. Eventually, they said it wasn't available.