Toyota and Subaru Officially Confirm Second Gen 86! (September 27, 2019)

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by Dake

Good point and yes, what it really means is a) continuing to improve passenger vehicle emissions AND 2) dramatically improving freight emissions.

As New2 mentions, we as a nation shouldn't have let our rail system stagnate.

My main frustrating point is why every house constantly runs AC.

Same for electric cars, not on a solar or wind grid.

Even the hippy house, chomping thru coal.

Humans are typically idiots.

Opinionated idiots, but idiots none the less.

[Aloha.Snackbar]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Which is why they need to copy the S2000 front suspension design.



It's ridiculous how little fender width there is.

They could probably do a cantilever system and shorten the whole thing but that would probably cost way to much to engineer and mass produce.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

My main frustrating point is why every house constantly runs AC.

Same for electric cars, not on a solar or wind grid.

Even the hippy house, chomping thru coal.

Humans are typically idiots.

Opinionated idiots, but idiots none the less.

I hear ya there. It was 55°F last night around 10pm. I had all my windows open to bring inside some cool refreshing air. About every 15 minutes or so I could hear the AC compressor on my neighbor's HVAC unit turn on.

Though on the bright side, my electrical grid is powered by nuclear energy (plant is about 30 miles from my neighborhood).

[CrowsFeast]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

What they didn't say was this:

Per their article there are 250M cars on the road.
Per this article there are 15.5M freight trucks on the road.

So, 5.6% of the vehicles on the road do 23% of the emissions pollution.

To me, that means its time to go after that target. Also, I'm guessing (but didn't try to look it up) the freight portion is the part that is increasing as the sales of personal vehicles is declining but the number of freight vehicles is increasing.

Two sides to every story and you can always spin it either way.

Which is why Ontario doesn't even do emissions testing for passenger vehicles any more (cost compared to the number of test failures); but they're targeting transport trucks.

I'm sure in a few years they'll start testing passenger vehicles again to make sure we don't get too out of hand.

[scuzzy]

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/15/...#slide-2177008

2020 face lift?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by scuzzy

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/15/...#slide-2177008

2020 face lift?

Lol, how funny would it be if that was the next gen 86. Simple facelift and done.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Lol, how funny would it be if that was the next gen 86. Simple facelift and done.

According to A70TTR they are going to reuse the current chassis.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/sec...ad.1738/page-9

Originally Posted by A70TTR

marketing wise, the car has to fit the product stack and slot in below the 4 cylinder Supra, which is 260hp in highest trim everywhere it's currently available and rumored to be bumped to ~280 for US debut timeframe.

that means the max you'd see for the 86 is likely 220-230hp for what I'd guess is around the same price.



Do I think that's the best logic? no, but what I think doesn't matter... I think it would be awesome to offer both an NA and FI variant, price accordingly, and call it a day (the Supra has 4 and 6 cylinder variants after all). another thing to consider however is engineering requirements that Toyota sets forth, and Tada told me the 86 in current configuration would not meet structural guidelines for much more power, and since they are reusing the same chassis that's definitely a concern. All can be solved with time and money, but we know how that goes...

[Dake]

If we really got a NA 86 with 230 HP, I'd probably be content.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dake

If we really got a NA 86 with 230 HP, I'd probably be content.

But would you buy one new?

[HachiRokuX]

Most rumors estimate around 210-220hp max. Even 230 is laughable imo though, you may as well buy a header and tune for your current car and match or even exceed that if you’re a current owner.


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[Dake]

Originally Posted by Spuds

But would you buy one new?

Quite possibly. If it comes out in 2021 My FR-S will be nine years old. With the Zupra falling short of my hopes - there's not much else out there I'm excited about in this segment.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by scuzzy

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/15/...#slide-2177008

2020 face lift?

Those pictures are about two years old. Can't find the thread but we had long discussions on those fender vents. They are not "new" nor "spy".

[HachiRokuX]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Those pictures are about two years old. Can't find the thread but we had long discussions on those fender vents. They are not "new" nor "spy".

There was a white 2017+ BRZ w/Subaru bumper and extra vents on the track a while back. I was the one who posted it but I’m too lazy to go back and find the original source...

Edit: JK

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/ba...-updates-ring/


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HachiRokuX

There was a white 2017+ BRZ w/Subaru bumper and extra vents on the track a while back. I was the one who posted it but I’m too lazy to go back and find the original source...

Edit: JK

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/09/ba...-updates-ring/


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Ah yes! OK so they may be "new" but if that is it then I will eat my hat! That is just a plain old 17+ 86 bumper under that camo.