Tracking with Forced Induction

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Ah. I thought you were talking about changing the turbo out entirely. So, somehow addressing the heat issue without changing turbo or its mounting configuration.

Is coating the turbine housing with a strong insulation coating as well as doing the turbo blanket an option? I'd have suggested good airflow over the turbo, but EGTs need to be kept up, but the radiant heat needs to be addressed. So, somehow divert the radiant heat of the turbo and hotside parts away from the radiator....

Hard in such tight confines. It's like expecting a virgin trapped on a lifeboat with 3 sailors for 3 months to remain a virgin....

That visual...cannot unsee.

[D K]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

It's like expecting a virgin trapped on a lifeboat with 3 sailors for 3 months to remain a virgin....

Is the virgin a woman?

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by D K

Is the virgin a woman?

Yes....

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by CSG David

That visual...cannot unsee.

I've spent too much time in OT...

[Jesse@JDLAutodesign]

Maybe i'm too used to some of the other cars we work on with absolutely no space anywhere...but IMO these cars have quite a bit of room to work with. I mean what car out there with modern amenities is there that you can bolt on an aftermarket turbo setup, toss in a couple factory fit cooling parts and track the shit out of it (especially in the middle of the desert here on the west coast.)?

I agree radiant heat is the issue 100%. Always has been when you're talking tubular stainless steel manifiolds, downpipes etc. We've found on other platforms going to a smaller diameter material for the manifolds than what is commonly used helped decrease this. The overall size of the manifold ends up quite a bit smaller and allows everything to tuck tighter to the engine and away from the cooling parts.

This is a quick picture of the difference between the 2...


These cars also have a ton of room to move the radiator forward.


If the radiator was brought to a 90 degree angle to the ground it could easily go forward 2-3" towards the intercooler. Of course it would require custom fabrication, but this is with retaining the factory bumper support...now lets talk going to something tubular

Looking at this picture...


The oil cooler is mounted 100% in front of the oem bumper support. There is also 1-2" of space between the FMIC and oil cooler. All this fits behind a factory bumper with the grill intact. What this means is with a custom bumper beam fabricated you would essentially move the intercooler forward another 2-3" to where the oil cooler is. (there are other locates to mount oil cooler.) If you did this that 2-3" inches you could move the radiator now becomes 4-6"...That is a ton of space in regards to combating radiant heat.

Either way talk is cheap...I guess i'll just have to get going on my car

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Ah. I thought you were talking about changing the turbo out entirely. So, somehow addressing the heat issue without changing turbo or its mounting configuration.

Is coating the turbine housing with a strong insulation coating as well as doing the turbo blanket an option? I'd have suggested good airflow over the turbo, but EGTs need to be kept up, but the radiant heat needs to be addressed. So, somehow divert the radiant heat of the turbo and hotside parts away from the radiator....

Hard in such tight confines. It's like expecting a virgin trapped on a lifeboat with 3 sailors for 3 months to remain a virgin....

Already done, as well as a heat shield.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Jesse@JDLAutodesign

Maybe i'm too used to some of the other cars we work on with absolutely no space anywhere...but IMO these cars have quite a bit of room to work with. I mean what car out there with modern amenities is there that you can bolt on an aftermarket turbo setup, toss in a couple factory fit cooling parts and track the shit out of it (especially in the middle of the desert here on the west coast.)?

I agree radiant heat is the issue 100%. Always has been when you're talking tubular stainless steel manifiolds, downpipes etc. We've found on other platforms going to a smaller diameter material for the manifolds than what is commonly used helped decrease this. The overall size of the manifold ends up quite a bit smaller and allows everything to tuck tighter to the engine and away from the cooling parts.

This is a quick picture of the difference between the 2...


These cars also have a ton of room to move the radiator forward.


If the radiator was brought to a 90 degree angle to the ground it could easily go forward 2-3" towards the intercooler. Of course it would require custom fabrication, but this is with retaining the factory bumper support...now lets talk going to something tubular

Looking at this picture...


The oil cooler is mounted 100% in front of the oem bumper support. There is also 1-2" of space between the FMIC and oil cooler. All this fits behind a factory bumper with the grill intact. What this means is with a custom bumper beam fabricated you would essentially move the intercooler forward another 2-3" to where the oil cooler is. (there are other locates to mount oil cooler.) If you did this that 2-3" inches you could move the radiator now becomes 4-6"...That is a ton of space in regards to combating radiant heat.

Either way talk is cheap...I guess i'll just have to get going on my car

I love this post.

[mike the snake]

I came to the same conclusion, and ended up doing the same thing as you!

The radiator can be moved forward by maybe 1 inch on top, and 1.5'' to 2'' on bottom by simply drilling two holes for the lower mounting posts and using new upper mounting tabs. This is probably Juuuust enough, it seems to be enough on my car, but even more clearance is better.

With this extra clearance there's enough room to put some heat shielding between the DP and fans at the closest points as well.

With some fab work, as you've said, the radiator can move forward a LOT.

On top of moving the radiator, I installed the Drift Armor crash bar (great product, perfect fit and inexpensive) and also cut holes in my front bumper, which lets a LOT more air in. I modded my skidplate by cutting an opening and installed "trip strips" to help pull hot air out.

Next, I'll be (re)fitting the air dams around the radiator to focus air through the radiator. I also plan to install extra wrap/insulation around the hot parts where room allows.

This may be enough, if it isn't I'll be installing a vented hood, and I really feel at that point the car should be trackable without overheating.

In your bottom pic, it shows the space between the top of the radiator and the frame. Do you plan to install some air dams there or are you leaving that alone? I figure a LOT of air is blowing up and over the radiator (but my AC works GREAT!).

Originally Posted by Jesse@JDLAutodesign

Maybe i'm too used to some of the other cars we work on with absolutely no space anywhere...but IMO these cars have quite a bit of room to work with. I mean what car out there with modern amenities is there that you can bolt on an aftermarket turbo setup, toss in a couple factory fit cooling parts and track the shit out of it (especially in the middle of the desert here on the west coast.)?

I agree radiant heat is the issue 100%. Always has been when you're talking tubular stainless steel manifiolds, downpipes etc. We've found on other platforms going to a smaller diameter material for the manifolds than what is commonly used helped decrease this. The overall size of the manifold ends up quite a bit smaller and allows everything to tuck tighter to the engine and away from the cooling parts.

This is a quick picture of the difference between the 2...


These cars also have a ton of room to move the radiator forward.


If the radiator was brought to a 90 degree angle to the ground it could easily go forward 2-3" towards the intercooler. Of course it would require custom fabrication, but this is with retaining the factory bumper support...now lets talk going to something tubular

Looking at this picture...


The oil cooler is mounted 100% in front of the oem bumper support. There is also 1-2" of space between the FMIC and oil cooler. All this fits behind a factory bumper with the grill intact. What this means is with a custom bumper beam fabricated you would essentially move the intercooler forward another 2-3" to where the oil cooler is. (there are other locates to mount oil cooler.) If you did this that 2-3" inches you could move the radiator now becomes 4-6"...That is a ton of space in regards to combating radiant heat.

Either way talk is cheap...I guess i'll just have to get going on my car

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by D K

Is the virgin a woman?

Sailors.

It isn't going to matter what the virgin is.

[FJ/BRZ]

I lol'd ^^^

Edit: this is a great thread btw.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Jesse36m3

haha that Porsche was like "fuck you, bye" on the straight.

what did I tell you ?

[ame="http://youtu.be/Fa1UWvB-Lrg"]http://youtu.be/Fa1UWvB-Lrg[/ame]

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by glamcem

what did I tell you ?

That was awesome. You basically were like "hi Porsche! Bye Porsche!" in that video

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

That was awesome. You basically were like "hi Porsche! Bye Porsche!" in that video

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

Yes and if you saw my previous video you'd notice the same exact car was left me in the dust on straightaway when I was stock power

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by glamcem

Yes and if you saw my previous video you'd notice the same exact car was left me in the dust on straightaway when I was stock power

I know! So badass. What're you dynoing with the kw sc?

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.