BRZ/FR-S vs 2015 Mustang

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I have this weird feeling the base weight will be 3300 lbs for the 2.3T. But i wish it would be 3150-3200 lbs.

It's going to be least 3400lbs by the looks of it. But they're saying at least 305BHP for the Ecoboost and 255mm tires with the performance package. It would still dust a stock FRS/BRZ on anything but a very technical autocross.

That doesn't really change my opinion of them.

Originally Posted by Boxer486

Wow, reading comprehension is bad these days on the internets.

1-So you watched nearly 30 minutes of video and all you have to offer is 'they lowered the car 1 inch'? That's exactly why many of us didn't bother. I saw the video was around 26 mins and heard nothing substantive in the first 6, called it quits. That's more than fair.

2-I never called anyone a 'jerk', I used the term 'circle jerk'. Try Google to learn the difference.

3-Don't ever say 'you' when quoting me and using someone else's quotes or statements. I didn't say most of what you accused me of. Not appreciated at all.

About halfway through they mention allowing customization of the steering assist, traction control, and other settings through the use of toggles and the user interface. The rest was mostly a critique of the styling and some blatant marketing by Ford employees.

As for them talking about the Mustang and it's heritage. It was not nearly as bad as some threads I have seen here. But on the Celica/Supra and Subaru's AWD.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

About halfway through they mention allowing customization of the steering assist, traction control, and other settings through the use of toggles and the user interface.

Cool. Thanks for taking one for the team. Sounds good as long as those features don't run through Microsoft Sync.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Really? I find MotorTrend to be a bit of a joke. Their idea of in depth is not mine, and their idea of good writing is laughable. Jonny Lieberman writes like bad teenage poetry.

The best automotive journalist right now, bar none, is Jason Cammisa for Road and Track.

A bit, they first applaud a car then later on when it's no longer front page new they lambast it like no tomorrow. Like what they did to the BRZ, at first they were excited as can be about how great it was then months later they turn on it like Benedict Arnold. They are the epitome of biased, any car in a comparison with their buddy Porsche's car is automatically taken down a notch so the Porsche can win on paper. A couple of years ago it was Toyota's turn to keep them happy, the Toyota pos won every comparison against superior cars and yes their mundane commuter cars are shit so the mere possibility of their cars legitimately winning would be slim to none if it weren't for the fact that the rag of a magazine doing the comparison is bent like a politician. Angus Mackenzie is one annoying sob, every word he says sounds like what you would use to describe food and his demeanor is extremely snobby. They ought to hire real people to do the tests, not journalists for sale.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

It's not just weight. They haven't disclosed any final performance numbers. Everything engine wise is "over X number."

They are hiding the fact that the car is heavier than the previous generation but they want to get peoples' hopes up for the epic letdown that is about to occur. I'd love to be wrong about it but I've seen this before.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

They are hiding the fact that the car is heavier than the previous generation but they want to get peoples' hopes up for the epic letdown that is about to occur. I'd love to be wrong about it but I've seen this before.

I don't disbelieve that at all really. Sort of expect it after the Vette reveal. But I think the letdown will be more for the people that aren't target Mustang buyers right now. I and many others who are like-minded will be a bit disappointed if the 2.3T isn't lighter than the current V6, sure. Maybe to some degree the international market as well. But I think your main two Mustang buyers are people who want a Mustang because it's a Mustang and generally are happy with the V6 and done, and people who want some of that big ol' honkin' 'Merican muscle V8 Mustang GT goodness.

I was really thinking about switching over to the Mustang camp with the new 2.3T (or maybe a V8 if I could swing it) instead of a FRS/BRZ. The lust hit pretty hard at first, and to a small degree it still exists. I was looking forward to IRS a lot, but I was also looking forward to the original rumors of the car being over a foot shorter and several hundred lbs lighter. A lot of that initial "WANT!" has worn off after thinking about it with the head instead of the heart. Don't get me wrong, I still want one, but not as badly.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

I was really thinking about switching over to the Mustang camp with the new 2.3T (or maybe a V8 if I could swing it) instead of a FRS/BRZ. The lust hit pretty hard at first, and to a small degree it still exists. I was looking forward to IRS a lot, but I was also looking forward to the original rumors of the car being over a foot shorter and several hundred lbs lighter. A lot of that initial "WANT!" has worn off after thinking about it with the head instead of the heart. Don't get me wrong, I still want one, but not as badly.

That's the thing - if I am cross shopping the Mustang with the FRZ, its not because they are the same thing but because they are different but in the same price range. I know I am getting a cleaver instead of a surgical knife, it's just a matter of whether I like using the cleaver a lot to pay for it or would I prefer the surgical knife.

As long as the 2.3T power to weight ratio isn't outta whack compared to the V6, its good enough.

As for a true versus - it'd be interesting to see how the new 'stang on the same track as the old 'stang would compare.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Frost

As for a true versus - it'd be interesting to see how the new 'stang on the same track as the old 'stang would compare.

Can't remember where I saw it, but I'd read that the benchmark for the new GT was the previous Boss, and supposedly it's been surpassed and then some. So I'm betting the new one will give the old a good thrashing.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Can't remember where I saw it, but I'd read that the benchmark for the new GT was the previous Boss, and supposedly it's been surpassed and then some. So I'm betting the new one will give the old a good thrashing.

If that is true, man, I am going to have a headache deciding which car I want come spring.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

I don't disbelieve that at all really. Sort of expect it after the Vette reveal. But I think the letdown will be more for the people that aren't target Mustang buyers right now. I and many others who are like-minded will be a bit disappointed if the 2.3T isn't lighter than the current V6, sure. Maybe to some degree the international market as well. But I think your main two Mustang buyers are people who want a Mustang because it's a Mustang and generally are happy with the V6 and done, and people who want some of that big ol' honkin' 'Merican muscle V8 Mustang GT goodness.

I was really thinking about switching over to the Mustang camp with the new 2.3T (or maybe a V8 if I could swing it) instead of a FRS/BRZ. The lust hit pretty hard at first, and to a small degree it still exists. I was looking forward to IRS a lot, but I was also looking forward to the original rumors of the car being over a foot shorter and several hundred lbs lighter. A lot of that initial "WANT!" has worn off after thinking about it with the head instead of the heart. Don't get me wrong, I still want one, but not as badly.

That massive feeling of wanting reminds me of something Spock said to his rival Stonn after letting his former girlfriend marry another guy in the Star Trek episode Amok Time. "Spock: Stonn. She is yours. After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

That massive feeling of wanting reminds me of something Spock said to his rival Stonn after letting his former girlfriend marry another guy in the Star Trek episode Amok Time. "Spock: Stonn. She is yours. After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Yeah, I've been pretty good on resisting impulse purchases as I get older, especially when it comes down to larger financial decisions. C7 Vette though, that'll be mine when they depreciate.

[hmong337]

I've only gone a few pages into this thread but here's my take.

If what the OP says about the 2015 Mustang being true, I may look into the 4-cyl turbo model. I hope it's a winner. Never liked mustangs for their size and their boat-like handling. Tremendous power with the V8 though! But I'm more fond of small and lightweight. So with this new one, they better get the handling right! Finally IRS.

Now here is my take on what Ford should do...

Obviously our GT86/FRS/BRZ is a car that has spun a new era. Aerodynamics, being physically smaller, and achieving lighter weight is always the right advantage to have.

I pray they "shrink" the new mustang!!! What I'm imagining 3000lbs; sounds about right for the 4-banger turbo model.

I'm betting that it won't be as small as the FRS. But I'm also betting that it's also smaller than a Hyundai Genesis 2.0T. How awesome would that be! 15" shorter is a HUGE redesign!!!

Clearly, Toyobaru has started a new "re-interest" in these types of sports cars. Just look around. Many manufacturers are now currently developing concepts of their own version of an affordable lightweight RWD sports car. Nissan with the 510 concept.


Now, many auto-manufacturers want a piece of that pie

Still glad to have the 86 for it being the new kid on the block. I've been waiting for a small lightweight front-engine rwd coupe forever with no hope in sight. Now they're going to be everywhere

[hmong337]

Damn... I think I'm gonna be extremely jealous of the 2015 Mustang turbo

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ikfpo3LzY"]Watch the all new 2015 Ford Mustang GT Debut in Hollywood - YouTube[/ame]

Judging by the people around it, the size looks quite good.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Damn... I think I'm gonna be extremely jealous of the 2015 Mustang turbo

Judging by the people around it, the size looks quite good.

Based on that photo, I am guessing no way this is gonna be 3000lbs. My guess is 3200-3300 at least based on foot print unless they used above-average materials to get this thing lighter.

When I think Mustang, I don't think light but not being light doesn't mean you can't be nimble - Gojiira made me eat crow and I loved every minute of it.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by hmong337

I pray they "shrink" the new mustang!!! What I'm imagining 3000lbs; sounds about right for the 4-banger turbo model.

Yeah, you are in imagination land. I dont think the weight savings is going to be significant.