Poll: Xbox One or PS4 Revote

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Friend and I were having a pissing match for the day. I don't remember exactly when it was. My KD overall is horrible because I like playing objective games (Dom/Dem) and actually try to do the objective. He said my TDM skills were in the toilet, so that was our way of settling it.

My KDR is 1.45 IIRC (haven't played in like 3 months) and I mostly get it down cause I hate campers and will die how many times is necessary until I kill the camper...

[cfusionpm]

It's impossible to "camp" in a game that has kill-cams. If you know exactly where they are, you need to do something about getting them out of there (or go elsewhere). Flash bangs work good (and alert you if it hits them with an X on-screen) but may or may not do the trick. Smoke and grenades work well, as does a well-placed tac-insert for an unexpected double attack. You'd hate how I play because while I don't "camp" I generally float areas guarding and watching main entry paths and crossways. It's always easier to ambush someone running in than be the person running and have to twitch react. That, and I always hated shotguns and launchers of any kind. Powerful semi-auto all day. Preferably silenced.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

It's impossible to "camp" in a game that has kill-cams. If you know exactly where they are, you need to do something about getting them out of there (or go elsewhere). Flash bangs work good (and alert you if it hits them with an X on-screen) but may or may not do the trick. Smoke and grenades work well, as does a well-placed tac-insert for an unexpected double attack. You'd hate how I play because while I don't "camp" I generally float areas guarding and watching main entry paths and crossways. It's always easier to ambush someone running in than be the person running and have to twitch react. That, and I always hated shotguns and launchers of any kind. Powerful semi-auto all day. Preferably silenced.

pfft... G18 auto (kap40 in Black ops 2) + tact knife, I often have a field day with that handgun.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Point still stands. You can't build a top gaming rig for the price of a console. Heck, I built a pretty nice AR-15 for less than what my roommate spent building his rig.

Well, that and Luis is a pretty relentless troll. :happy0180:

I contest that the point falters because of the fact that any next-gen console won't give you a "top gaming" experience. Why compare a device that plays games at a maximum resolution of 1920x1080 to something that is capable of 2560x1600 or higher, better AA, DX11 features unavailable to consoles, and way more processing power? Let's at least compare apples to apples as best we can here. You can build a decent gaming computer to give you equivalent to next-gen console experience for 500-600 dollars. Hook this up to your TV via HDMI, grab that Xbox controller, and bam, gaming on the TV.

As an aside, I wonder if the lower cost of PC games will cause one to eventually break even, especially when some tend to go on sale for 50% off a few months after release. Maybe some people don't want to build a computer, and that's fine. But to say that the cost of PC gaming is still prohibitive compared to console gaming is hogwash.

[n2oinferno]

Oh, found this. This year's lineup for PS4:

Blu-ray and digital:
Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag (Ubisoft)
Battlefield 4 (EA)
Call Of Duty: Ghosts (Activision)
Driveclub (Sony)
FIFA 14 (EA)
Just Dance 2014 (Ubisoft)
Killzone: Shadow Fall (Sony)
Knack (Sony)
Lego Marvel Super Heroes (WB Games)
Madden NFL 25 (EA)
NBA Live 14 (EA)
NBA 2K14 (2K Games)
Need For Speed: Rivals (EA)
Skylanders: Swap Force (Activision)
Watch Dogs (Ubisoft)
Digital only:
Basement Crawl
Blacklight: Retribution
Contrast
DC Universe Online
Doki-Doki Universe
Flower
Hohokum
Minecraft
N++
Pinball Arcade
Planetside 2
Pool Nation Extreme
Res0gun
Super Motherload
The Play Room
Tiny Brains
Warframe
War Thunder

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Oh, found this. This year's lineup for PS4:

Blu-ray and digital:
Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag (Ubisoft)
Battlefield 4 (EA)
Call Of Duty: Ghosts (Activision)
Driveclub (Sony)
FIFA 14 (EA)
Just Dance 2014 (Ubisoft)
Killzone: Shadow Fall (Sony)
Knack (Sony)
Lego Marvel Super Heroes (WB Games)
Madden NFL 25 (EA)
NBA Live 14 (EA)
NBA 2K14 (2K Games)
Need For Speed: Rivals (EA)
Skylanders: Swap Force (Activision)
Watch Dogs (Ubisoft)

Looking at retail discs, let's see how it compares?
Interesting, very similar.

Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag (Ubisoft, Ubisoft)
Battlefield 4 (DICE, Electronic Arts)
Call of Duty: Ghosts (Infinity Ward, Activision)
Crimson Dragon (Grounding/Land Ho!, Microsoft Studios)
Dead Rising 3 (Capcom Vancouver, Microsoft)
FIFA 14 (EA Sports, Electronic Arts)
Fighter Within (AMA Ltd., Ubisoft)
Forza Motorsport 5 (Turn 10 Studios, Microsoft Studios)
Just Dance 2014 (Ubisoft Paris, Ubisoft)
Killer Instinct (Double Helix, Microsoft Studios)
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (TT Games, Warner Bros. Interactive)
Lococycle (Twisted Pixel, Microsoft Studios)
Madden NFL 25 (EA Sports, Electronic Arts)
NBA 2K14 (Visual Concepts, 2K Sports)
NBA LIVE 14 (EA Sports, Electronic Arts)
Need for Speed: Rivals (Ghost Games, Electronic Arts)
Peggle 2 (Popcap, Electronic Arts)
Powerstar Golf (Zoe Mode, Microsoft Studios)
Ryse: Son of Rome (Crytek, Microsoft Studios)
Skylanders: Swap Force (Vicarious Visions, Activision)
Watch Dogs (Ubisoft Montreal, Ubisoft)
Zoo Tycoon (Frontier Developments Ltd., Microsoft Studios)
Zumba Fitness: World Party (Zoë Mode, Majesco)

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

I contest that the point falters because of the fact that any next-gen console won't give you a "top gaming" experience. Why compare a device that plays games at a maximum resolution of 1920x1080 to something that is capable of 2560x1600 or higher, better AA, DX11 features unavailable to consoles, and way more processing power? Let's at least compare apples to apples as best we can here. You can build a decent gaming computer to give you equivalent to next-gen console experience for 500-600 dollars. Hook this up to your TV via HDMI, grab that Xbox controller, and bam, gaming on the TV.

As an aside, I wonder if the lower cost of PC games will cause one to eventually break even, especially when some tend to go on sale for 50% off a few months after release. Maybe some people don't want to build a computer, and that's fine. But to say that the cost of PC gaming is still prohibitive compared to console gaming is hogwash.

And that gaming platform will stand the test of time?

I still get great performance and 60fps at 1080p out of a machine bought in 2005 for $400. The weird thing about consoles is as time goes on, games look and run better and better as they're specifically optimized for that system. On PC, without upgrading your hardware, games tend look or run worse and worse. At least that was my experience.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

And that gaming platform will stand the test of time?

I still get great performance and 60fps at 1080p out of a machine bought in 2005 for $400. The weird thing about consoles is as time goes on, games look and run better and better as they're specifically optimized for that system. On PC, without upgrading your hardware, games tend look or run worse and worse. At least that was my experience.

To be perfectly honest, I can't say for sure either way. To some degree I think that my old computer from 05/06 will play current games. The only anecdotal evidence I have is a PC gamer friend of mine refuses to upgrade his stuff, and he plays Diablo 3 with me. I do think he sold some old hardware and got a new motherboard/cpu though. Probably about the same net overall cost as MS wanted to charge me for the 120GB hard drive, haha. I'm actually a bit interested to see how well a current gen game would run on my old Core 2 Duo system with a 8800 GTS. Like Skyrim on low settings at 1280x720, pretty much what the console outputs. Considering that, versus a well-done PC version, all current-gen console games have lower texture resolution, upscale resolution to match the TV, lower antialiasing, and lower framerate, I think it's fair to somewhat level the playing field. The handful of console games that do hit 60fps only do so by sacrificing something else. Everone has their excuses, but they're working on older finite power. Most console games target 30fps, and then it's painfully noticeable when you get slowdown. I see framerate drops in Red Dead Redemption all the time, unfortunately.

The next several years are probably the best time to pose this exact question. The game is changing as hardware becomes more powerful and APUs are more relevant, and a lot of current gen games will actually run fairly well on integrated GPU now. Hell, I run Grid 2 on my Surface Pro and hold 30fps, and it looks just as good as it does on the consoles.

edit: Got curious. Apparently, yes, an older PC will play current games alright.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r58nEXV5EV0"]The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Gameplay on NVIDIA Geforce 8600 GTS + Intel(R) E2200 2,2GHz - YouTube[/ame]

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

And that gaming platform will stand the test of time?

My desktop is built out of my brothers spare parts, 5+ year old AMD Phenom quad core, 4GB DDR2 RAM, and two years ago I upgraded the video card to a Radeon HD 5850 for $150. Skyrim automatically put settings to "High" and I never had to lower them.

That setup cost probably about $600-$800, including a case and 25" monitor that will carry over when I upgrade (hopefully) in the winter for at most another $600 (shooting for the moon with mobo, cpu, gpu and ram) which should put me at a better performance than this new generation of consoles and last me for another 4+ years of running games on high settings.

And now that SSD's are under the 1GB/$ margin there will be a huge leap in performance for many PC gamers.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

And now that SSD's are under the 1GB/$ margin there will be a huge leap in performance for many PC gamers.

SSD will be my next purchase. When people realize how huge of a difference they make in computers the demand will skyrocket. They'll still, for the most part, enthusiast hardware now.

I know the PS4 supports swapping hard drives, so I hope it supports SSD. I'll do it! Has MS said anything at all about being able to change the HDD on their console? I assume it'll be like the last generation, and no. Ah well, I guess what it comes with is big enough for now.

[cfusionpm]

My experience through the late 90s to mid 2000s was to dance around the settings and juggle how good it looks vs how fast it runs. As newer and newer games came out, the juggle became worse and worse. I could have a gorgeous game run at 10-15fps, or a mediocre setting run at 60+. Once I got the game to run smoother, it looked no better than the console counterparts. I got sick of having to dink and fiddle with every setting on every game to find a good balance. Combine that with the awful wrist strain I get from the WASD layout and back issues I got from leaning hunched over for hours, I migrated to consoles exclusively. No regrets whatsoever.

[VADER]

Originally Posted by phloozy

Judging by your taste of games you are correct that there is no point in having a collection because you buy franchise games that are identical with small tweaks every year. In addition you pretty much fit the exact stereotype of a frat guy gamer "I only play Halo, CoD, Fifa, and Madden".

CoD, Fifa, Madden, while they are all great games you are correct that there is no reason to not throw out the old one once the next is released.

Frat Guy Gamer... hmmm... I can't connect what frat guy's have to do with playing Halo, CoD, etc. But what I can say is I play good games. Games that are at the forefront of their genre. If Titanfall is the next big shooter, guess what? I'm getting Titanfall, TF2, TF3, etc. As long as a game plays very well and keeps improving, why not support it and keep buying it? People place games such as Halo, CoD, etc into fanboy game franchises. This makes no sense to me. Would it be smart to play something else that plays horribly just to say I'm not a CoD fanboy? No. I buy the best and like to play the best.

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Well, I had both and never liked the 360 controller... but nothing beats a keyboard and mouse for FPS or RTS games... Consoles are great for side scrollers and RPG's

A controller beats a mouse and keyboard for FPS any day. What do you see all of the pro gaming shooters playing on? PC's? No. They play on Xbox's. Coincidence? I think not. Sure, you want precision of aim to be flawless, go with a mouse and keyboard. The accuracy is great. But it comes at the sacrifice of a whole game's experience. PC's are good for games like WoW, LoL, Heroes of Newarth, SC2, Dota2, etc. But not shooters. Consoles have taken over the shooter genre now. Go to Twitch.tv and tell me what you see everyone streaming. All of the FPS, Sports, and Racing games are being played and streamed on consoles, while other games as the ones mentioned above are on PC's. It's just the way the future is heading.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by VADER

A controller beats a mouse and keyboard for FPS any day. What do you see all of the pro gaming shooters playing on? PC's? No. They play on Xbox's. Coincidence? I think not. Sure, you want precision of aim to be flawless, go with a mouse and keyboard. The accuracy is great. But it comes at the sacrifice of a whole game's experience. PC's are good for games like WoW, LoL, Heroes of Newarth, SC2, Dota2, etc. But not shooters. Consoles have taken over the shooter genre now. Go to Twitch.tv and tell me what you see everyone streaming. All of the FPS, Sports, and Racing games are being played and streamed on consoles, while other games as the ones mentioned above are on PC's. It's just the way the future is heading.

http://www.fpsguru.com/article/3230/...Part-2-PC.html

Edit: Do you even know what TF2 is? Far as I know TF2 is only for PC

[phloozy]

Originally Posted by VADER

Frat Guy Gamer... hmmm... I can't connect what frat guy's have to do with playing Halo, CoD, etc. But what I can say is I play good games. Games that are at the forefront of their genre. If Titanfall is the next big shooter, guess what? I'm getting Titanfall, TF2, TF3, etc. As long as a game plays very well and keeps improving, why not support it and keep buying it? People place games such as Halo, CoD, etc into fanboy game franchises. This makes no sense to me. Would it be smart to play something else that plays horribly just to say I'm not a CoD fanboy? No. I buy the best and like to play the best.

This is the first time i ever saw this video, I just youtubed "frat guy gamer"


A controller beats a mouse and keyboard for FPS any day. What do you see all of the pro gaming shooters playing on? PC's? No. They play on Xbox's. Coincidence? I think not. Sure, you want precision of aim to be flawless, go with a mouse and keyboard. The accuracy is great. But it comes at the sacrifice of a whole game's experience. PC's are good for games like WoW, LoL, Heroes of Newarth, SC2, Dota2, etc. But not shooters. Consoles have taken over the shooter genre now. Go to Twitch.tv and tell me what you see everyone streaming. All of the FPS, Sports, and Racing games are being played and streamed on consoles, while other games as the ones mentioned above are on PC's. It's just the way the future is heading.

This is just backwards.... The only reason they compete on xbox is because its more popular hence more viewers and players. Put a pro pc CoD player and a pro xbox CoD player on the same server and watch the xbox get pooped on.