Has anyone had a warranty claim denied? Seized engine! Pics of teardown added 6/5

[sierra]

Originally Posted by SubieNate

This may be totally in my head, but the motor just seemed quieter, less raucous/thrashy. Even when shifting at 7200 or so it just hummed right on up there. I could swear there's a bit more poke all around as well but that's likely a faulty butt dyno wanting to justify the extra $20 I put into the tank.
Just totally non scientific observations to add fuel to the disucssion.
Cheers
Nathan

It wasn't in your mind, that's how it's supposed to drive with the correct fuel.
The engine is designed and tuned for 93 and higher. 91 is really a temporary measure until you can get the right fuel and I would drive it with that in mind and not wind it out on 91. It's been mentioned the engine even rattles on 91 at times. Add ethanol into the equation and i'm not surprised that engines are shitting themselves.

[smbstyle]

Originally Posted by Don_SA

Ever since I first test drove the FR-S I was sure it would be my next car. I spoke with my salesman so I could place an order for a 2014 as soon as he had final details so I could get it before my birthday in October. The more I read the more afraid I am of this car and don't think I will be able to bring myself to pull the trigger now. I can't believe it made it to market with such serious problems. Chirping fuel pumps... CEL cured by flash, but new flash can cause injector seals to fail (this is my understanding, from what I am reading) and then the engine is blown. Who knows what else, or if the next fix will affect something else.

I have two cars so don't NEED one but looking forward to getting my FR-S made going to work a little bit easier every day. Sadly there isn't anything else I am really interested in right now. The twins were exactly what I had been waiting for.

Really? Might want to take a step back and look at how many BRZs are out there compared to the ones with issues, it is a tiny, tiny fraction. Go to ANY car forum, and I promise you you'll see the same thing in the warranty/tsb sections, with all kinds of issues.

[smbstyle]

Originally Posted by sierra

It wasn't in your mind, that's how it's supposed to drive with the correct fuel.
The engine is designed and tuned for 93 and higher. 91 is really a temporary measure until you can get the right fuel and I would drive it with that in mind and not wind it out on 91. It's been mentioned the engine even rattles on 91 at times. Add ethanol into the equation and i'm not surprised that engines are shitting themselves.

might explain why these issues are popping up on the west coast with all of the 91 out there? I havent seen any of these reports on the east coast, with all of the 93 over here.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by smbstyle

might explain why these issues are popping up on the west coast with all of the 91 out there? I havent seen any of these reports on the east coast, with all of the 93 over here.

I have a feeling they didn't allow for 91 E10 being used all the time but decided there was enough of a safety factor to ok its use. Now they are paying the price and the owners in California.
As I have mentioned, in Oz, cars that can use ethanol blends have that on the filler cap with the max allowed, ie E20 along with the minimum octane.
The 86 only has 98RON or higher[93US] Which means don't use ethanol blends.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Don_SA

Ever since I first test drove the FR-S I was sure it would be my next car. I spoke with my salesman so I could place an order for a 2014 as soon as he had final details so I could get it before my birthday in October. The more I read the more afraid I am of this car and don't think I will be able to bring myself to pull the trigger now. I can't believe it made it to market with such serious problems. Chirping fuel pumps... CEL cured by flash, but new flash can cause injector seals to fail (this is my understanding, from what I am reading) and then the engine is blown. Who knows what else, or if the next fix will affect something else.

I have two cars so don't NEED one but looking forward to getting my FR-S made going to work a little bit easier every day. Sadly there isn't anything else I am really interested in right now. The twins were exactly what I had been waiting for.

Oh please.. The sky is to falling and it's not all doom and gloom..
The few issues that exist are more isolated and affect a few if they are even issues at all.. This is a new car.. And running changes and TSBs will correct them. For every owner posting there is something wrong.. There are thousands of happy smiling drivers out there enjoying a trouble free experience.
Many create their own problems and issues with unproven mods or extreme usage and abuse..
This car has much going for it.. It truly is an exciting affordable car! You shouldn't miss out because of a few mishaps or posted problems.. I've owned much more expensive cars that were more problematic yet less satisfying to drive and own..

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by robispec

Been there done that.
Car runns COOL as a Cucumber...
I removed my DI's for another completely unrelated problem an the seals were fine.
12K miles 10+k tracking at the limit...
Had the car tuned at 700 miles. and retuned with every modification...

I use tuners that understand SAFE POWER so detonation/knock/overpressured cylinders just do not happen...
This is the indicated cause of the DI seals failing.
Once you know you have a failure continuing to drive/track the car will result in engine failure as the faulty seal will alloe air/fuel mix to escape and allow air back in leaning out the cylinder till you allow it to knock itself to death..

If I think there is an issue with my car IT'S ON THE TRAILER...to the tuner and we find out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. Before we blow the bitch up!

Mike sorry for your problems... I had my warranty voided when I picked up my car. I knew I would be using it in timed events, Competeing in timed events, and using these results to assist my parts sales efforts...very close to CSG's marketing GOALS.
You really can't have it both ways.
But you can rationalize ANY position.

I'm just grateful ANY car company wants to sell me a performance car that doesnt cost 40K+.

Happy as punch being responsible for my own actions!

Robi

But the car is marketed as a track ready car from the factory. And from the factory includes a factory warranty. I don't think it is unreasonable for a car to be track ready and have a warranty.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

But the car is marketed as a track ready car from the factory. And from the factory includes a factory warranty. I don't think it is unreasonable for a car to be track ready and have a warranty.

Marketing will say anything to sell you a car.. Yet the fine line says its not warranted for track or competition use.. No production car is track ready with a warranty.. And those that track this car stock will tell you it's not track ready..

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by smbstyle

might explain why these issues are popping up on the west coast with all of the 91 out there? I havent seen any of these reports on the east coast, with all of the 93 over here.

I think Texas gets 93? It's happened to at least one car there

I don't suspect my car of having any issues currently though. It'll be interesting to see what happens long term

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I think Texas gets 93? It's happened to at least one car there

I don't suspect my car of having any issues currently though. It'll be interesting to see what happens long term

This is what i think about texas gas



a turbo frs here blew its cats.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Marketing will say anything to sell you a car.. Yet the fine line says its not warranted for track or competition use.. No production car is track ready with a warranty.. And those that track this car stock will tell you it's not track ready..

It mentions nothing about track use. Does it mention racing and competition? Yes.

Does it mention track use? No. HPDE's are explicitly NOT racing or competition events.

Damage Caused Due to Use of Vehicle in Competitive Events
These warranties do not cover damage to any component that is the result of operating the vehicle in any competition or racing event.

[robispec]

hpde's also do not use timing/transponders...
Or call themselves the 86CUP, 86 Challange. and promote a season long COMPETITION for points earned at each HPDE day for the FASTEST TIME.. thats the big dividing line when it comes to insurance too...
get a time and void your insurance not always just mostly.
This is a sporty road car, not a race car not a track car even though it can be used as such.
After reading horror stories about oil temps and seeing the stock radiator..we didn't go on track till we had a solution...
My stock tires and brakes are all new too lol

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by robispec

hpde's also do not use timing/transponders...
Or call themselves the 86CUP, 86 Challange. and promote a season long COMPETITION for points earned at each HPDE day for the FASTEST TIME.. thats the big dividing line when it comes to insurance too...
get a time and void your insurance not always just mostly.
This is a sporty road car, not a race car not a track car even though it can be used as such.
After reading horror stories about oil temps and seeing the stock radiator..we didn't go on track till we had a solution...
My stock tires and brakes are all new too lol

Agreed. I was just correcting the previous poster who stated that any track use would void the warranty, which is certainly not the case according to the fine print.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

It mentions nothing about track use. Does it mention racing and competition? Yes.

Does it mention track use? No. HPDE's are explicitly NOT racing or competition events.

Gezzz.. Calm down.. Try telling ur dealer when something breaks that you were just tracking your car or attending HPDE events and your tranny broke.. Please fix it..
I'm sure the abuse clause or not intended use will come into play.. But you can believe those events are ok..

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Gezzz.. Calm down.. Try telling ur dealer when something breaks that you were just tracking your car or attending HPDE events and your tranny broke.. Please fix it..
I'm sure the abuse clause or not intended use will come into play.. But you can believe those events are ok..

Who isn't calm?