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04-08-2021, 09:50 AM | #225 |
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The rotor changes are a pretty nice and healthy change, but those were heat capacity changes due to 2piece vs 1piece, the pads are the same. In addition to the above, the 2019 to the 2020+ is still the same generation, there not about to make some HUGE leaps in performance like they did from FK2 to FK8. I'm excited for these new twins, but boy is that BRZ front end real ugly.
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TCoat- I simply mentioned the fact that for someone who tracks their cars, that FOR THE SAME price the PP BRZ was the better buy for the added suspension, brake improvements.
I will always love the Hakone, but I stand by what I said about the PP being the better buy for the same $. Also, Hakone was under 600 built if I recall correctly, to say just as many are being tracked as PP cars is utter nonsense. Again, I’m at the track often, especially in 2021. I’ve seen 2 Hakone ever on track here, but dozens of BRZ PP cars. Again you DONT track your car so like always you speak without any knowledge, just bias. Also, my credit is phenomenal at over 820, they didn’t “sell the car to someone else because of my credit” but told me they couldn’t locate one mid last year, but only after promising me they could, getting me into the dealer and after running my credit. They then tried to get me to buy another car, which is a common trap tactic by dealers. Get your facts straight, I’m very responsible financially. When I did actually locate a Hakone 3 hours away that was new, I got pre-approved over the phone and had finalized a price with the dealer. They knew I was unable to make it there for 2 days as I was at a conference for work that week. Another buyer came in and offered them more, so they sold it to him instead. Had NOTHING to do with credit. I love the Hakone color, always have, but mine would have had to get modded suspension and brakes immediately for my track use. That’s why I mentioned the PP being a better “starting” car for people like myself. They most certainly aren’t as eye catching as the Hakone however, no doubt. I never said the performance of the new car will be “earth shattering” like you say. If you reread the bottom of the last page I state how the performance of the new cars won’t blow us away, but that we will definitely notice an improvement over the previous model. Again I know people who HAVE been in the new car and can attest to this. And AGAIN you bring up looks, which are subjective to each person, who cares? As stated by others on the previous page your BIAS and hate towards these new cars is completely evident, and you and a few others are acting like immature children, grow up. “If I actually buy one instead of talking about it”....again if you ever take off your hate blinders and read I’ve stated that I love the current car, and drive my GF’s 19 BRZ PP often, which is why I’m looking forward to the new car, and sold my Camaro to buy the new car. I can’t buy what isn’t being sold yet, but that may be too hard for you to comprehend... Difference is, I welcome the improvements and don’t bash the new model on every forum thread simply because “it doesn’t look good” blah blah. Every piece of data I’ve mentioned on the new cars statistically have been FACT, not rumor or filled with bias/hate like your posts. Again, if you actually did research you would know this to be true. You can hate me and the new car all you’d like. Your immaturity speaks loudly. Last edited by RetroRacer; 04-08-2021 at 12:42 PM. |
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The new type r’s are extremely fun to drive, I’m sure you’re enjoying yours a ton, it’s by far the best FWD car ever made. I agree completely that the new BRZ front isn’t good looking at all, I definitely prefer the Toyota model more, which is why I’ve decided on that car. |
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guys the 6.2 ish time bandied about (for the first gen) is the C&D number, not the official number.
After some searching i found that the official time is (way back for when the Scion FRS first came out) Official 0-60 is 7.3 for 6MT and 8.0 for 6AT. Official 1/4mi is 15.6 for 6MT and 16.1 6AT. found it in this thread: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5494 Sounds like this makes more sense if the official 0-100 is 7.7 or so. I honestly thought ive seen 6.6 and 6.9 before but what do i know....the performance metric for this car is all over the place. |
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You would need to bump the GEN1 to this and then verify if the tires and suspension play a factor, as both may not be the bottleneck currently, but may become with a slightly power bump. Yes, the main factor for the time reduction is the power bump, then the removal of the dip (it makes difference on both of the measurements here) and then other items. When I mentioned TS, I also mentioned the wheel size (highr inertia) and aero drag. Regarding weight distribution, this can get worse if they did not move the engine, as engine is heavier( Gen1 has about 5” of clearance on the bay, not sure if due to safaty factors, but it is ugly). |
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Some quick “rough” translations for you
3:15 Beautiful 86 drift 8:16 86 has a more exciting initial throttle response whereas BRZ has a more linear throttle response 8:35 BRZ has deeper roll in the back? 9:10 BRZ has a very stable cornering feel, no sense of insecurity at all 12:14 86 feels like a sharpened version of the early years zenki 86 14:10 86 has a very excitable feeling from the chassis 14:43 BRZ has a stable feeling, but within that stability you can feel that it is FR 16:45 BRZ despite being FR has the sense of security of an AWD car 17:37 It has started to rain but the stability and security is still very high 17:55 BRZ seems to have inherited Subaru’s AWD philosophy 18:45 When BRZ is made to slide it is very controllable 19:20 BRZ characteristics is not only one of composure, it also accepts drifting 20:30 In 86 you can feel the GR characteristics from the Yaris and Supra 22:15 In the 86 you can sense the flavour of the Yaris and Supra. In contrast, in the BRZ you can sense the flavour of the Impreza and Levorg 22:50 You can really feel the added distinct flavours from each company between the BRZ and 86 with this generation 23:43 You get a grand touring sense from the BRZ 24:15 When you wring it out it is fun as a FR car, but when you’re not the Subaru DNA is great 24:40 In 3rd gear, the 86’s rear still drifts, but in the BRZ the rear stays planted in 3rd. 24:45 In 2nd gear you can get the BRZ to drift but the rear stability is distinct This is what one publication was able to gather from translating it: "They report, first and foremost, that the new cars feel quite different from the last generation. And that should hardly come as a surprise since both make more power. The new BRZ is quoted as making 228 hp in the US, but both can make up to 232 hp depending on their market. That’s up from 205 hp for the last generation. As a result, both get to 60 mph in just 6.3 seconds, which is 1.1 seconds faster than the outgoing models. More than that, though, the drivers also report that the cars are more refined. Neither has lost its sports car edge, but they seem to be a little quieter at idle. The good news for fans of the RWD dynamics is that little of their sense of fun seems to have been lost in the generational transition. Both cars handle well thanks to their low center of gravity and low weight. Although both hosts appreciate the BRZ, they seem to have a slight preference for the GR 86. The Toyota is a little more tail happy, whereas the BRZ seems to have a more neutral character. |
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30 years ago automakers put out conservative performance numbers for their cars. And it confused people when magazines (and people IRL) could do better.
Here we are 30 years later and...how is the same thing happening?!
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The difference between manufacturers and journalists is actually not the focus of the debate, even if we are discussing the discrepancy.
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This is your problem: you are already declaring the car to be superior overall, when in fact it is only superior in terms of performance, stock for stock. Long-term ownership, reliability, and how well the car responds to mods are areas of concern of mine and likely areas of concern for others as well. I wouldn't trade in my first-gen for a GR86, because among a plethora of other reasons, I find that the improvements are not enough to warrant trading in my car for. And yes, this is my opinion, I'm not stating it as fact. By all means, nobody is going to stop you from buying the GR86, and I'm fully interested in hearing your thoughts both performance-wise and long-term. Quote:
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Looks even better than the GT86 and also happy to see that it will be released in Europe.
In my case the "problem" would be the lack of equipment compared to my current car (fully-equipped Camry). Would definitely consider one if there would be a high-end version with JBL, electrically adjusted seats/steering wheel, HUD etc, highly doubt it tho. |
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Good thing it was quoted: Originally Posted by RetroRacer View Post So glad i didn’t buy the local Hakone edition 86 manual with 950 miles for sale for $31k locally. Color is nice, but even the Performance pack BRZ was a better buy for the same $. Again I’m amazed how many people pay more for a “color” over a better driving car. Most people who own a Hakone don’t “track” their car, that’s the difference, they just want a car that looks good, but don’t use the drivers car for what it’s intended for. The new car will outperform the old one on every front. Definitely prefer the Toyota styling to the BRZ. But will change mine immensely for an upcoming sema show. A bigger 2.4 motor with improved power band and better chassis that’s 50% more rigid to build upon, Well done Toyota/Subaru! Will sit nicely in my garage next to my 2007 STI Crawford built, and 91 NSX. Sold my 2012 SS/RS sema Camaro recently but I prefer lightweight over HP. Look forward to building a phenomenal new GR86. I do not hate anything beyond the appearance. Big ugly side vents are big and ugly no matter if they are functional or not. Not once have I bashed the potential performance. I just don't play the bench racer numbers game and will wait to see what it actually does with that massive 10% increase. We shall see who has more miles and wheel time my" lawn ornament" or your weekend warrior racer wanttabe toy. Funny you think it so much superior but already planning to change it!
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I noticed that too; it was gone at the time I first saw the thread (last midnight).
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