Tesla Cyber Truck (Most Hideous Truck/Tank Ever)

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The Model 3 is a more premium, faster and cheaper Bolt per this article. There are other benefits that come with owning a Tesla like OTA updates, better MMI, using the phone app to do all sorts of things, Supercharger network access, etc. I don't really think the Bolt is close.

Thanks, although some of your "other benefits" are things I consider unwanted or don't matter to me, such as OTA updates, phone app "stuff" and supercharger network access.

The latter is because I believe if Musk was all "let's all go electric I'm going to lead the way" Tesla would allow use of their network, at a cost of course. It's a competitive advantage for Tesla not to, I get that, but it is also a henderance, at least in the short term to adoption. Even if it were just one "flex-charger" per station it would at least give the appearance of helping the cause.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Thanks, although some of your "other benefits" are things I consider unwanted or don't matter to me, such as OTA updates, phone app "stuff" and supercharger network access.

The latter is because I believe if Musk was all "let's all go electric I'm going to lead the way" Tesla would allow use of their network, at a cost of course. It's a competitive advantage for Tesla not to, I get that, but it is also a henderance, at least in the short term to adoption. Even if it were just one "flex-charger" per station it would at least give the appearance of helping the cause.

OTA updates unlock more mileage for better range, improve battery performance, add features to the MMI, etc. It is one of the best features. For instance, OTA updates is one of the reasons why Apple phones generally hold their value better than Android units and are retained for a longer period. While I am upgrading to the new iPhone this year, I have an iPhone 6 that was released in fall 2014, but is running software released in July 2020. If all you cared about was resale value then you would want OTA updates.

The phone app has many features like:

--GPS to find the car.
--Keyless entry, so there is no need to have the keycard.
--Smart summon.
--Give access to the car to other people or open the doors remotely.
--Open parts of the car or vent the car on a hot day remotely.
--Turn on the AC or heater remotely.
--Valet mode.
--Charging status and other car information.

https://techau.com.au/reminder-tesla...e-competition/

There are other networks like EVgo, Electrify America, ChargePoint, etc and more are coming online. Some of these network support Tesla vehicles because it is in their interest due to the volume of EVs being sold by Tesla versus other brands; Tesla owners are currently the largest market. The Tesla L2 chargers don't need to be offered to other vehicles because there are plenty of L2 chargers available between the other networks, but the Superchargers are still limited, so I think you are right that Tesla is doing it to better their product versus their competitors, but it is also because the system could become quickly overwhelmed, which could hurt their sales.

Kettleman City is half way between the Bay Area and LA, and it has a 40 unit Supercharging station, and it will fill up with a huge line during the holiday travels.

https://www.businessinsider.com/holi...argers-2019-12

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

OTA updates unlock more mileage for better range, improve battery performance, add features to the MMI, etc. It is one of the best features.

It also allows someone else to control modifications to my car and force them on me. No thanks. History has shown the changes are not always for the better. If you want to offer them to me and let me pick, then we can talk. As far as I've read, the Hummer will also do OTA updates through OnStar though.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

For instance, OTA updates is one of the reasons why Apple phones generally hold their value better than Android units and are retained for a longer period.

Not sure where you are getting that from, my Pixel 2XL gets security and OS updates regularly, in fact I got one last week. I've had no issue keeping Android phones for a minimum of 4 years.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The phone app has many features like:...

Like I said, nothing I need or want in my car. I don't want my car to be controllable from a phone or remotely in any sort of way.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Kettleman City is half way between the Bay Area and LA, and it has a 40 unit Supercharging station, and it will fill up with a huge line during the holiday travels.

What you say about chargers make sense, and frankly is what i would do if I was running Tesla. I was just saying it doesn't reconcile with Musk's rhetoric at times.

Also, that photo is proof positive that an electric vehicle is not acceptable (for me) on road trips. Sorry I'm just not that patient when traveling.

[WildCard600]

So how do I carry extra range with me when I go out to the boonies and trail ride for the weekend ?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It also allows someone else to control modifications to my car and force them on me. No thanks. History has shown the changes are not always for the better. If you want to offer them to me and let me pick, then we can talk. As far as I've read, the Hummer will also do OTA updates through OnStar though.

Not sure where you are getting that from, my Pixel 2XL gets security and OS updates regularly, in fact I got one last week. I've had no issue keeping Android phones for a minimum of 4 years.

Like I said, nothing I need or want in my car. I don't want my car to be controllable from a phone or remotely in any sort of way.

What you say about chargers make sense, and frankly is what i would do if I was running Tesla. I was just saying it doesn't reconcile with Musk's rhetoric at times.

Also, that photo is proof positive that an electric vehicle is not acceptable (for me) on road trips. Sorry I'm just not that patient when traveling.

I don't find it a big deal. It sounds like you don't mind having an update for your phone, but you would for your car. Most of the updates are security updates or driver assistance updates that make the driver assistant software better and safer. Like how a recall can be mandated (86 MY13 spring recall), if not doing an update could represent a security or safety risk then it makes sense to make them mandatory. On the phones:

https://www.imore.com/apples-continu...theyre-popular
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1016142434.htm

Are you one of these guys? You might be the one in a million that wouldn't find those features useful. I'm sure everyone has lost their car in a baseball game parking lot and would like to find their car easier, or has wanted to vent their car on a hot day, or has wanted to warm their interior on a cool morning (or cool their pet in their car on a hot day), or wanted to not carry a bulky key fob, or allow someone access inside or use of their car without needing to give them your key fob/keys, or whatever.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

So how do I carry extra range with me when I go out to the boonies and trail ride for the weekend ?

There is a solar option... it's only like 15mi/day but in theory you are never totally out of power...

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[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

So how do I carry extra range with me when I go out to the boonies and trail ride for the weekend ?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

So how do I carry extra range with me when I go out to the boonies and trail ride for the weekend ?

Gasoline and a generator. The Cybertruck may come with solar panels, which could add a few miles, which may be enough for off-road adventures. You could also use regen to recharge the vehicle using a friend to tow your vehicle. In the video below, the guy towed the Tesla for 1 mile and got more than 13 miles of range. Just bring extra gasoline for your friend.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/mainte...harge-your-ev/

https://electrek.co/2019/11/22/tesla...ion-add-range/

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

There is a solar option... it's only like 15mi/day but in theory you are never totally out of power...

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15 miles a day ? Elon needs to lay off the weed.

A model S uses something like 300 watt hours per mile. You would need 6 hours of sun at optimum angle with 750 watt solar array to get the 4,500 watt need to go 15 miles.

They aren't fitting a 750 watt solar array on the roof of this thing. Maybe some kind of fold out array would be possible but I still think the size would be a problem for anything not the size of an RV. 750 watts of solar panels is pretty big.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Gasoline and a generator. The Cybertruck may come with solar panels, which could add a few miles, which may be enough for off-road adventures. You could also use regen to recharge the vehicle using a friend to tow your vehicle. In the video below, the guy towed the Tesla for 1 mile and got more than 13 miles of range. Just bring extra gasoline for your friend.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/mainte...harge-your-ev/

https://electrek.co/2019/11/22/tesla...ion-add-range/

LOL

It's not easy towing a disabled vehicle a hundred feet off road, let alone a mile. Maybe in the salt flats.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I don't find it a big deal. It sounds like you don't mind having an update for your phone, but you would for your car.

Not a conspiracy theorist, or ancient astronaut theorist either, I just believe if I own something I should be able to control when I get updates, and the company should not be able to disable features I have if I don't want them to (unless it's some type of subscription service I refuse to pay for)

For what it's worth, I don't like what GM is doing with super cruise either with the subscription service but I have the option to not pay for it, same for OnStar. If I don't want it, I can turn it off and the car will still drive.

On my phone I choose to take the updates after I determine what they are, and what impact they have had already if any to others. I would expect the same for something as expensive as a car.

In the end, I don't like Tesla's business model in general, and don't even really like the designs of their cars. I would take Musk's SpaceX trip to the moon, but i don't want one of his current cars. It's a personal choice though, not a condemnation of what the company does.

If you're a customer and happy with it, go for it. It's OK if you do, that's why there are different manufacturers. In the end though, I don't really believe I'm "one in a million" that doesn't want what Musk is selling.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

15 miles a day ? Elon needs to lay off the weed.



A model S uses something like 300 watt hours per mile. You would need 6 hours of sun at optimum angle with 750 watt solar array to get the 4,500 watt need to go 15 miles.



They aren't fitting a 750 watt solar array on the roof of this thing. Maybe some kind of fold out array would be possible but I still think the size would be a problem for anything not the size of an RV. 750 watts of solar panels is pretty big.

Haha maybe but solar has come a long way, I got a little 120w fold out panel for less than $200 on amazon. Charges my boat battery fully in like an hour (of good Sun). I know the truck is much more demanding than that but I'm just making the point that even 5 years ago that would have been a few thousand dollar purchase probably.

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[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Haha maybe but solar has come a long way, I got a little 120w fold out panel for less than $200 on amazon. Charges my boat battery fully in like an hour (of good Sun). I know the truck is much more demanding than that but I'm just making the point that even 5 years ago that would have been a few thousand dollar purchase probably.

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It's gotten cheaper for sure, but panel size/watts hasn't really changed. Big power still requires big panels.

I think a solar recharged off road vehicle would be awesome. I would love to do something like the trans-america trail without worrying about having enough extra fuel on board. Technology still has a long way to go before that dream can be realized unfortunately.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not a conspiracy theorist, or ancient astronaut theorist either, I just believe if I own something I should be able to control when I get updates, and the company should not be able to disable features I have if I don't want them to (unless it's some type of subscription service I refuse to pay for)

For what it's worth, I don't like what GM is doing with super cruise either with the subscription service but I have the option to not pay for it, same for OnStar. If I don't want it, I can turn it off and the car will still drive.

On my phone I choose to take the updates after I determine what they are, and what impact they have had already if any to others. I would expect the same for something as expensive as a car.

In the end, I don't like Tesla's business model in general, and don't even really like the designs of their cars. I would take Musk's SpaceX trip to the moon, but i don't want one of his current cars. It's a personal choice though, not a condemnation of what the company does. I

If you're a customer and happy with it, go for it. It's OK if you do, that's why there are different manufacturers. In the end though, I don't really believe I'm "one in a million" that doesn't want what Musk is selling.

When it comes to driver safety software, which keeps the driver from crashing into me, or when it comes to security updates that protect the software from getting hacked, I don't really think these things should be options. Tesla has a right to protect their systems and an obligation to make their cars safer if they easily can, so someone can chose to not update their software, but then Tesla has a right to keep them from using Tesla's services on their network. How would it look if someone crashed a car that could have been avoided with a software update, but Tesla says that it was saving the new features for upcoming cars when it was a simple software update that could have saved a life?

https://electrek.co/2020/02/14/tesla...esisting-them/

No, just what you said sounded like it was biased, and if I asked a million people if they wanted those features on their car for free then I wouldn't be surprised if you were the only one who said they didn't want them. Like, if the HUMMER or another manufacture said it had an app that did all those things then you might have touted how cool and practical those features are for others and yourself, but since it was coming from a Tesla, you dismissed them as insignificant.