949 Racing project car - Blub

[CoolHandMoss]

I asked about ride height and got told "low ride heights are just for looks" more or less and this guy asks and gets an extensive explanation of the trade offs involved when chosing ride heights. I really need to learn how to articulate what I am trying to ask.

[949 Racing]

Originally Posted by CoolHandMoss

I asked about ride height and got told "low ride heights are just for looks" more or less and this guy asks and gets an extensive explanation of the trade offs involved when chosing ride heights. I really need to learn how to articulate what I am trying to ask.

I was responding to "But those recommended height pictures are so sad."

Maybe I misinterpreted that but it sounds like he is disappointed that it can not go lower. Folks can and will lower their cars on Xidas beyond what we recommend. When and if they report that it doesn't handle as well as they had hoped, we will say "yup".

I get that there will be a group of 86 owners that say "Xidas can't go low enough". We're ok with that. The other group of 86 owners with Xidas on their car will be very happy with the new capabilities of the car. I call them superpowers

But yes, to answer your question more specifically, we have rational reasons for recommending certain ride heights based on direct measurements and testing. It isn't mysticism or superstition. Each platform is different and presents its own limitations. We start with a clean sheet and try to engineer a total solution that generates the car with the best performance envelope. If that means slammed, so be it. If means not so slammed, so be it.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by 949 Racing

We offer a BGK (Big Grip Kit) for the early Miatas that has all the bits we recommend to get a completely tuned suspension system. This saves having to piece together various bits without knowing how they will work together or how to set them up. We will do the same for the 86: A complete hardware package with every part you need and baseline alignment settings for street, dual duty or competition published on the website. Basically replicating what's on Blub. So one can order just the Xidas to work with what sway bars, links, alignment they have or if you want a carefully researched and tested, proven fast setup in one go, BGK.

What's the likely expected price range for the BGK kit?

[949 Racing]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

What's the likely expected price range for the BGK kit?

Too early. In any case we usually do not post prices on forums. When the time comes, everything will be on the website.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by 949 Racing

Too early. In any case we usually do not post prices on forums. When the time comes, everything will be on the website.

Can you point me to the Miata kit? I don't see it on the website. That would at least give me some idea whether to remain interested.

[949 Racing]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Can you point me to the Miata kit? I don't see it on the website. That would at least give me some idea whether to remain interested.

Our Miata parts are exclusively on our Supermiata.com site. The BGK for the Miata contains a different component list than what we will do for the 86 so I don't know how much that will help you.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by CoolHandMoss

I asked about ride height and got told "low ride heights are just for looks" more or less and this guy asks and gets an extensive explanation of the trade offs involved when chosing ride heights. I really need to learn how to articulate what I am trying to ask.

It's not just you. Reading this guy's mood swings is impossible.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

It's not just you. Reading this guy's mood swings is impossible.

Which makes me wonder how a complaint or problem might be handled.

[949 Racing]

Sorry if you guys are misreading me, just trying to offer answers with sufficient detail. I'm not upset or angry. But my tone can be abrupt and didactic sometimes. That's just how I talk.

The question that started the confusion seems to be asking why we are not recommending lower ride heights for the Xidas.

On one side I hope to have offered sufficient explanation, a few times I suppose.

On the other side I asked this question of you, why is it that you feel you need or want a lower ride height?

Not sitting here across a table from you I have to make assumptions. One is that some thinks it simply looks better lower. The other is that someone might feel that it would handle better if it were lower. Regarding the cosmetics, well I can't comment on that. I get that some people like a lower look but if it doesn't make the car faster or ride better, we simply won't recommend it.

Hopefully my answers have been clear enough to avoid any confusion.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by 949 Racing

Sorry if you guys are misreading me, just trying to offer answers with sufficient detail... Hopefully my answers have been clear enough to avoid any confusion.

It's nice of you to apologize for our obvious failure to read you without becoming confused.

[949 Racing]

I'm here to answer questions. I like filling in the blanks. I love doing the r&d and developing the products. Anyone who knows me personally knows that I am not one for drama. I do not patronize or make extra efforts to sugar coat things. I tend to be succint. Most of the people that just want the hard facts appreciate that directness.

Occasionally someone get their feathers ruffled by my tone. All I can do is apologize and move on.

Again sorry for whatever I have done to whoever might have been offended or otherwise bothered by the way I explain things.

Meanwhile we're thinking the main and helper springs will be orange and gray. Orange is worth 10whp.

From the tech page of our website: How to use tire pyrometer (and why you need to) https://949racing.com/using-a-tire-p...49-Racing.aspx

[churchx]

949 Racing: Orange +10whp? But everyone knows that da red goez fasta!
And if you are just after extra power, not speed, there are stickers for that!

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by 949 Racing

I'm here to answer questions. I like filling in the blanks. I love doing the r&d and developing the products. Anyone who knows me personally knows that I am not one for drama. I do not patronize or make extra efforts to sugar coat things. I tend to be succint. Most of the people that just want the hard facts appreciate that directness.

Occasionally someone get their feathers ruffled by my tone. All I can do is apologize and move on.

Again sorry for whatever I have done to whoever might have been offended or otherwise bothered by the way I explain things.

Meanwhile we're thinking the main and helper springs will be orange and gray. Orange is worth 10whp.

From the tech page of our website: How to use tire pyrometer (and why you need to) https://949racing.com/using-a-tire-p...49-Racing.aspx

You may want to go back and reread what you’ve written. You posts are condescending and rude at times and you pick and choose what you want to answer and when. You already know this though.

I am a bit disappointed I won’t be doing business with you. Sounds like a great product and you seem like a wealth of knowledge. Unfortunately not all are good at passing their knowledge down the line.

Carry on...

[TurboLag23]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

You may want to go back and reread what you’ve written. You posts are condescending and rude at times and you pick and choose what you want to answer and when. You already know this though.

I am a bit disappointed I won’t be doing business with you. Sounds like a great product and you seem like a wealth of knowledge. Unfortunately not all are good at passing their knowledge down the line.

Carry on...

I personally disagree with this. I don't see the OP's responses as rude, but rather just overwhelmingly thorough.

I think the OP is trying, to the best of their abilities, to re-answer a series of questions (and clear up a series of misconceptions) that ACTUAL performance part development/manufacturing companies have been answering/clearing up for decades. It's hard for some people to hear that their car's performance won't be optimized if they drop their springs to their "ideal height"... or that their pod filter actually lost them horsepower... or that their fancy "aero package" has negligible effect. But that does not mean that the OP isn't within their right to tell them so - and in no uncertain terms. I, for one, appreciate the candor, directness, and commitment to fact - not just in this specific example, but in general.